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January 2021 Transfer Window

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Stafford Bantam, Nov 15, 2020.

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  1. andyc

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    Too many. What is appealing to me is that Sparks , Trueman and Sellars are young eyes with a different outlookm to the merry go round of managers etc that are normally rolled out. They may yet fall flat on there faces, but the old gaurd have done nothing the past few years.
     
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    With the signing of a league one established centre half already means its beefed up over than longridge
    what about Canavan who is already in. And we have extra cover in left sided defence as well which we have lacked most of the season
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

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    More firepower was essential before Guthrie left. Time will tell whether we’ve improved but I certainly don’t think we’re weaker. Canavan is an upgrade on BRE, without doubt. I’ve no idea whether Foulds will add anything but unless Wood leaves, he’s an addition. Guthrie offered absolutely nothing, so having him leave doesn’t weaken us and I think its inevitable that at least 1 more forward will come in. Samuels offered very little and I know little about Burrell, but he looks to have more about him and a better U23 record, so hopefully that’s an upgrade. And then Stevens is an addition as I simply can’t see any way that he’ll add less than DMH. The new signings need to be given a chance and I think it’s important that we add 1-2 more experienced and proven players to the squad, but right now I see nothing to suggest we’re weaker than we were a month ago.
     
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    So one signing is beefed up? The others are players who've not in any way established themselves yet. I'm not questioning the signings, more the statements that we are suddenly now beefed up becuase as it stands we aren't. By the end of the window we might have a couple more in, if they are improvements on what we currently have then you can have your beefed up comment.
     
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    Firstly, not sure why you are suggesting Canavan is a 'beef up' on Longridge when on is a CB and one a LB. Secondly, you are missing the point that if any one of Wood, Paudie or Staunton were to leave, we are no better off and potentially will be weaker.
     
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    I guess that DMH, is likely to remain, given the “Home grown’ player rules and requirements of the EFL. It is probably also a key factor as to why all of a sudden we have lots of City developed players included in the First team squad, more than I can remember for a very long time.

    33.8 Home Grown Players. Each Club shall be required to nominate a minimum of seven Home Grown Players on their Team Sheet of Players for all League Competition Matches (including Play Off Matches).

    Guidance

    Carabao Cup, EFL Trophy and FA Cup matches are exempt from the Home Grown quota.

    33.9 ‘Home Grown Player’ shall mean a Player who irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with:-

    33.9.1 his current Club; and/or

    33.9.2 a Club and/or any other football club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales,

    for a period, continuous or not of three Seasons or 36 months prior to his 21 birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21). For the purposes of this definition of Home Grown Player only, a Season will be deemed to commence for all Clubs on the same date as the date on which the Summer Transfer Window in that Season closes for Clubs in Leagues One and Two, and expire on the date of the final League Match of the Season.
    https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/
     
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    I don't think that's the reason. Point 33.9.2 seems to be saying that as long as a player has been affiliated to the FA or FA of Wales, they are classed as home grown. Have we even got any players that don't fall into that category?
     
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    Not at all firstly there is no indication anybody is leaving so Canavan is a strengthen as is Foulds because he is an extra body in there. Theoretically there could be departures but certainly there are going to be more incomings
     
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    On that basis, do Foulds and Canavan qualify as home grown given their tenure at the club in the youth ranks....?
     
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    Happy with the outgoings so far. Would have to see the signings in action to be able to determine if we are strengthening or not. I would like to think Turnbull and T&S know what they are doing and what type of player they want. So fingers crossed that we have strengthened.
     
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    We've been over this on several occasions on here and there is still a major confusion betwen Home Grown Players (HGP) and Club Developed Players (CDP). They are quite different but are often mistaken for each other.

    I'll try and summarise the position. A matchday squad has to include 7 HGPs. A HGP is any player who has played for any club affiliated to the FA or FAW for 3 years prior to him becoming 21. Most of our squad, excluding some of the RoI or NI players fit those criteria. I've used Fabregas previously as somebody who meets the HGP criteria from his time at Arsenal to illustrate the point.

    On the other hand, a matchday squad also has to include 1 CDP if a full complement of subs is required on the bench. A CDP player is somebody who has been registered at the club for at least 12 months prior to his U19 season. DMH certainly fulfils that criterion but so do others (including arguably Donaldson!). If there is no CDP in the matchday squad, it simply means the squad can only have 6 subs.

    I'm not convinced that a sudden influx of City developed youngsters has anything to do the CDP requirement. It's more to do with the Academy doing what they should be doing, ie developing players good enough to progress into the first team squad. I believe we are now beginning to see that happen.
     
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    The reason I say we're weaker is because we're one experienced player lighter than we were. Guthrie had a mare here, we can all see that, and was an atrocious signing - exactly what we didn't need and he didn't help.

    However that doesn't change the fact that we're short a striker who has actually scored a senior goal at any point in his career - unlike Samuels and Rumarn.

    I don't think we have done any bad business, by the way - and we have more options - but the Leeds winger aside, who may get game time or he might not, I stand by the thought that our first XI is weaker with Guthrie out and no replacement.
     
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    I cannot see us being light of any player we need by the end of the transfer window.
     
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    My error! Hands up.

    However the two terms are often used in a similar context, so it is er confusing!

    An article from the BBC.

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    I should have said ‘Club developed’ player.
     
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    Guthrie and Samuels scored precisely zero league goals between them and did sod all to create anything for others. So, regardless of how good or bad Burrell turns out to be, I'm struggling to understand how we can now be weaker than nothing.
     
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    I think that is going to be most relevant in the striker role as we are highly unlikely to be alone in wanting to strengthen in this area
     
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    But you are basing an argument on a big IF.
     
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