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Match Thread Away vs Grimsby town - Tue 22 December 7pm kick off

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by How, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Tennesseebantam

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    Thank you @River_City_Bantam@River_City_Bantam , the Poojah rant was indeed magnificent. Even fan groups for different sports over here singing it's praises. If you guys haven't read it, find it. Kind of how we were thinking towards the end of the relegation season
     
  2. Dennis

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    Go on then, which league games under the EFL or FA's rules have resulted in one team forfeiting the game and the other team being awarded the three points because of Covid?
     
  3. Fordy117

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    When did I say under the EFL or FA rules.

    What I said was like Juve Bradford should be awarded 3 points and I also said that Spurs were given a bye due to Leyton Orient.
     
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  4. Dennis

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    I referred to EFL and FA rules because that's what we operate under. You might not like it but that's how it is. Quoting Juve or Spurs is irrelevant because they don't operate under EFL league rules.

    To be clear. What Serie A decided to do with Juve is neither here nor there. They don't operate under EFL rules. What happened when Orient failed to fulfil their cup game against Spurs is similarly neither here nor there. The Carabao cup isn't played under EFL league rules. What happens elsewhere or in other competitions has no bearing at all on how the EFL operates its own league competition.
     
  5. Gardscoigne

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    That’s absolutely correct, but it’s reasonable and fair to use other competitions as a benchmark to how these scenarios are being handled, or should be handled, surely?
     
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    I fully understand that and I have called the League 1 & 2 clubs as mickey mouse include Bradford City out before because before a ball was even kicked issues like this should've been addressed.

    It's no wonder Man City's City was saying the EFL is a poor model because most of the clubs in it are clueless. However, I do believe that Bradford should be awarded the 3 points but doubt it will happen now because no RULES are in place.
     
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    Not really since the rules governing our league game against Grimsby are the EFL's and they are quite specific on what happens when a fixture isn't fulfilled.
     
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    But like you say, there’s no precedent in EFL, and so as a comparison this is as near as we can get?
    Personally, moving on, don’t think we’ll get the three points!
     
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    No 3 points.

     
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    It's not whether there is or isn't a precedent; there is no need for a precedent. It is fully covered in the EFL's own regulations. And what other footballing bodies do in their jurisdiction has no relevance.

    In short, only the EFL can postpone a fixture. A club cannot postpone a fixture. If it does, it is subject to the EFL's disciplinary procedures which could include a fine or a points deduction. It is then upto the EFL with the two clubs to agree a date for the postponed game to be replayed. There is no provision for the game to be forfeited. The only recourse that the 'innocent' club has is to submit a claim for any additional costs to be paid to them. As I've posted previously, there's no question of us in this case receiving 3 points for a game which has been postponed.
     
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    Quite right. Some have become righteous in the condemnation of Grimsby. Simply the right decision IMO.

    Imagine a Covid outbreak at Valley Parade as the season breaks out. I would expect fairness and common sense to prevail.
     
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    Fairness and common sense? Absolutely, that is what should prevail. However, can you honestly say that is what has happened? Is it common sense to shut down a training ground for two weeks, when other clubs have had theirs deep cleaned and been back to it within 48 hours? Is it fair that a club that has had one positive test for a fringe player who was on loan at another club (who have continued to play their games by the way), are allowed to postpone 2 league matches when another club in the same league that had 3 players test positive have continued to play their games?
    There is absolutely no consistency and that is the problem because as long as it continues, there will be clubs that use the situation to their advantage.
     
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    I understand your points, particularly in regards to consistency.

    My thinking is two fold. It's just a game at the end of the day. The way I view football has changed, in recent times.

    Secondly, Grimsby may not be the only club to do this. I'm of the fear the issues around covid19 will not be going away soon. Other teams could, I emphasise could, stretch the rules around covid19 and say, a glut of injuries in the camp and a singular/multiple Covid confirmation, for example. A postponed game or two whilst the injuries clear up?

    It's a possibility, yes? It's a possibility that it could be our very own club, yes?

    So, for me, crack on. Play the game in December.

    Let's be honest had Grimsby had two games postponed with the alleged situation of over the last few weeks, against any other opposition than our own club, then they would hardly have been a murmour on these boards.
     
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    Probably the right decision. Getting a walkover victory doesn't really sit right with me.
    However, I don't like the way Grimsby have behaved over this and the EFL do need to sort it out or it could quickly become a mess by Christmas. If too many games get called off then it will be impossible to sort out and the EFL have now set a precedent that they won't award walkovers.
     
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    It doesn't sit right with me either; I wasn't happy with Leyton Orient being thrown out of the EFL (Carabao) Cup.

    When you think of the mistakes that those running the country have made, not to mention eyesight road trips, then Grimsby Town deserve some leeway even if they haven't followed the EFL's rules to the letter (and, of course, they may have done everything they should have).

    Of course, that doesn't stop us having a bit of banter with our fishy friends.
     
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    And yet Tranmere without 7 today due to COVID and injury and Palios saying they've had to play kids or face prospect of 15 point deduction. Losing 2-0, doesn't add up.
     
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    I dont believe that Grimsby , calling off the matches had anything to do with covid. It was just convenient with there glut of injuries and poor form. Strange how they have signed three players this week and are holding Bolton to a draw so far today.
     
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    Well done Tranmere for their very good point at Salford today
     
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    Yes well done to Tranmere, a good example of a club playing on regardless. See what bloody Holloway thinks of that.
     
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    Yes a point well earned, in difficult circumstances. Just goes to show what can be achieved if you apply yourself correctly.
     

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