Where will it end... 12th September as it happens

Yes. That is one of the most popular sites for data yet the infection data is unfit for assessing anything from it. Countries started collecting data at different times, testing different groups of people, changing parameters over time and increasing test numbers over time. There's zero consistency and unrealistic trends but media keep firing out misleading scaremongering stories based on it.

 

I posted a while ago about friends we know who lost both parents within 24 hours, the dad was in his final stage of cancer and his brother found their mother dead on the floor, no sign of Covid-19 with regards either death.
They were told to get the formalities moving funeral arrangement wise they could have their mother and fathers deaths going down as Covid-19 on their death certificates or they may have to be an autopsy on both if not both certainly their mother.

 

That's awful and wrong.

 

Same scenario @Bronco , 2 friends of mine who i played football and went 2 City with for years died in March both extremely ill , despite their underlying terminal illnesses both deaths were registered as Covid related . Thats why i posted earlier that i will not believe any figures until the pandemic as gone .

 

What I don’t understand is we are well over the peak of the virus and lockdown has been here for nearly 3 months yet the R rate is still stubbornly high making it dangerous to move out of restrictions quicker.

 

I'll try to explain.

Basically, the R rate is including hospitals and care homes. If you took them stats away it will only be around 0.5.

The hospitals and care homes are the problem. Avoid hospitals if you can.

 

There is very little of virus left in care homes.

 

Have to include in it because its NHS and social care. Hospitals are be issue.

The government are not making this clear and this is why the economy is suffering badly.

 

Just confirmed on the news it’s the high density of the population causing the high numbers. Poor and disadvantaged people who live on top of one another are being affected and spreading it. As I said before twice as many people live in London than the whole of New Zealand in a much smaller area

 

I don't it is mate. Think @Frank Castle said the same as what I am. The poor disadvantage people statement is that they are more likely to die or catch it because of their standard of living.

 

I'm confused about the testing figures we see in the daily briefings.
working in round numbers, were testing about 200k per day , from those tests lately the average positive tests are 1500 (less than 1%)
now from what I understand we only test people with symptoms, so that means 99% of people who think they have covid don't infact.?? barely anyone getting a test has the disease.

 

It has certainly been the case over here that areas with higher population densities have had it worse than others. Care homes have been hit very hard; I think it is still the case that about 80% of all deaths in the country have come from people in the various types of care home. Right now there have been some big outbreaks in farming communities here in Ontario, involving the temporary workers who come in from abroad, mostly Mexico or the Caribbean, and live in close quarters, dormitory-style, whilst here. Then there is Toronto, which has some 64% of all the cases in Ontario. The worst-hit areas there have been, again, those areas with the highest population densities.

This is a virus that seems to really like crowded indoor spaces: care homes, apartment buildings of all sizes, dormitories, nightclubs, and so on.

Overall the Canadian numbers are continuing to get better. Here in Ontario we've just had a third successive day with new cases under 200, most again in Toronto. This has come with another day of record levels of testing: over 28,000 yesterday. Most of the province has moved on to the next stage in re-opening, not my area though: bordering New York state makes it tougher, and just last week we had problems in a local flower farm, where over 60 of their workers tested positive. Luckily that outbreak does seem to have been confined, and the area at large has remained unaffected. We have tended to have just a handful of new cases daily.

RCB

 

as someone once said, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics"
thanks for the insight

 

Problem with this government they lying but tripping themselves up and just not helping themselves at all.
Also saying stupid statements that they just can't keep. I don't know who is running things, is it Boris or Cummings but whoever it is, is an idiot.

"We want all kids to see there teacher for at least a month" - That's not happening.
"We will bonce back and we will get the economy running again" -20.4 record fall in GDP
"Testing, Testing, Testing" - Still struggling to get testing and results turned around within 24 hours.
"We will have a world beating track and trace App" - No app

I could go on but anyone and I mean anyone how thinks this government is doing a good job is an idiot.

Luckily, for Boris he has about 4 years to prove he is worth something because I just see a fool.

 

R rates are meaningless on a regional scale now, and maybe on a national scale, too, since they simply can't sample enough people to give a fair representation with such low rates. It would be idiotic to quote them unless you could test everyone every day. You'd could average a sample over several days but it would then be out of date and nearly meaningless by the time you got it. It must be way under 1 for new cases to be dropping away so sharply in recent weeks so they've been feeding us rubbish about it being close to 1. It clearly has not been. There could be no cases across the whole UK in a few of weeks the way we are going. Hospitals 'in Bradford, Calderdale, North Yorkshire, Wakefield and York saw no new cases yesterday. York hospitals had their 7th consecutive day with no new infections.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/yorkshire-news/coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-yorkshire-18413585

Why the hell are my kids not allowed to play on a see-saw yet? What's the point of spacing and masks if there is virtually no virus left out there to catch?

 

Well my granddaughter is going back to BBEC on Monday, only a few hours but it's a start.

 

Glad she is mate.

Think it was more the stupid statement about all kids going back for a month.

The main problem with Boris is hes trying to be a people pleaser. The worked with Brexit but when I global pandemic going on you have to make strong, decision and seem to know what you are doing.

Needs to think about what he is doing e.g WHO say 1-1.5m is fine but he sticks with 2m but the 2m is impossible for schools to fully open in September, so he might as well change it now.

I get its tough leading the country at this moment but this man is just hanging himself and the party every day. He's like a Corbyn.

 

It's a start as I said, only difference is my daughter will have to take her and bring her home, that used to be grandads job.

 

Hopefully, in September mate you will be back on collection duties and you will love every minute.

China has a lot to answer for but that time will come.