COVID-19

What's not clear are the next steps!

The sooner Boris is back the better because he isn't so dry! People need an end goal soon.

 

Absolutely pissing myself Fordy, remember when you said the government shouldn't be politically point scoring? Every single post you make on this thread now is sniping at the government regardless if it has anything to do with them or not! You're losing the plot if you hadn't already lost it.

 

Ha ha mate.. I think I am losing the plot!

Government bashing! Waiting for Hancock to be good!

Watching the daily conference is bad for me- I can't handle the bullsh@t.

Least Boris by now would of turned in to joker Trump and said some stupid things.

Tomorrow is a non bashing the government day for me! Wonder how long I will last?

 

The next steps aren't known.

Sometimes people need to take a step back and just accept uncertainty.

Don't demand answers that don't exist.

 

Warwick Davis just come on my TV on ITV at 23.52. fu@k my life.

This lockdown is painful.

 

The next steps are known.., but can't be disclosed without the lack of testing!

Only way out of this is testing like Boris said.

 

It was explained today. There is enough capacity to test 38k but Some NHS staff are not taking it up

 

That doesn't make sense.

Are you saying 'it will be known once we have testing' or 'we know now, before testing'?

 

We know now but we can't move forward in any way shape or form without the testing.

As I say we are still discussing testing the NHS frontline and this week moved on to care houses. Not even moved on to general public and how we going to test them.

Remember we only test those at hospitals as far!

We can't move forward until the testing and I believe the government does have steps on how we do that but until we get to the 100k testing per day then lockdown remains!

Testing then tracing..you shouldn't be allowed to enter a supermarket without being temperature checked abd if failed traced & recorded.

We're so far behind that we are worse than a 3rd world country.

 

The reasons we don't know how to move forward extend beyond simply testing people and pretending that's a remedy for the spread.

The WHO said this evening that knowing who has or has had the virus isn't particularly valuable as it looks like the coronavirus can hit the same people more than once.

Finding out who has had the virus previously is also useless for that reason, since the 'antibody' test proves nothing. If you can get hit more than once, your antibodies obviously don't work.

So if you can't move past an initial test or even a subsequent antibody test and consider people safe, what's the actual point?

Fauci stated this evening that you would have to test people every other day for those results to be meaningful. He's right. You have to know that somebody doesn't have the virus on an ongoing basis, day in, day out, before they can be considered safe. That's not going to happen.

 

But testing back is the only way out.

Yes testing every other day. Test kits at offices, supermarkets the lot.

WHO just sit there and don't come up with anything. The economy isn't their problem.

Like it our not the world needs to get back to operation and more testing is the only way.

 

You're not going to get that many tests for that many countries before you get a vaccine (and even if you do, it's not going to stop anything, least of all more economic damage).

You might not get a vaccine anyway before the virus loses it's grip as all coronaviruses and similar outbreaks have done in the past.

They are not known to be resilient viruses; once they've declined, they've died. They've become history. Pretty much all graphs and charts suggest the decline is happening naturally.

Frankly, I think we're getting it close to right at the moment. We were too slow at the beginning, and I was very critical of the government in the early days, but there's nothing to do until one of those two eventualities comes to pass except stem the tide and limit the damage.

Look, for me, this is the important point: have you ever had a coronavirus vaccine before? If not, why not? We've had MERS, we've had SARS, but they've both run their course. We've had avian flu, swine flu, and they've both run their course.

I'm wondering what will come first: a vaccine, or the natural decline of the virus.

I'm certainly not overly worried about the long term benefits of testing; the benefits of testing are to protect people here and now, like the emergency services.

 

On resilience: tied in with the fact of not being very resilient is that simple soap and water will kill it. Dead.

On the other hand, MERS and SARS both had the problem of killing too many of their hosts, and so they had built-in problems. This one kills far fewer, and so can persist longer. Which takes us back to handwashing...and, for the time being, physical distancing. Letting up now would be similar to a parachutist discarding the chute because it has slowed his rate of descent.

On the other other hand, we still haven't got a vaccine for the common cold; hopefully this one won't be so awkward!

RCB

 

Thankfully due to the slowness with which these viruses mutate, it seems it isn't going to become a perennial flu or cold - so I really do think we're waiting on a vaccine or a natural end to the virus.

Of course, there will be more viruses in the future, from different sources and with different attributes - social media in particular needs to get over the 'divine revelations' of anybody who isn't stupid (Bill Gates, Barack Obama, etc) and accept that stating the obvious isn't a preternatural prophesy or a wider-reaching conspiracy. Just a plain old boring fact, plain as day to even directors of Netflix documentaries or script-writers.

Hopefully next time we have an outbreak I won't have to see the name of one of the stupidest men on the Earth, David Icke, heralded as anything but a colossal idiot even if the 'next time' is 12-24 months and even if he's predicted something nasty might happen in society and nasty people might be to blame!

 

Yes, but as long as we have the 'wet markets' continuing, we'll continue to have one prime source for such outbreaks. (Along with the general problem of humans encroaching on the animals' world.) I can't remember the exact source; I thought it was a piece on the CBC, but this just gives a general overview of the problem.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/pandemics-biodiversity-covid-19-1.5528063

Maybe it was the BBC? But I can't find it now. Anyways, it was about an American researcher of zoonotic viruses. He claimed there was a staggering number of those out there, some 600,000-800,000! So if the conditions are right, another 'spillover' event will occur. A cheerful thought for the day!

RCB

 

20 minutes...

 

3 seconds after you log in.

 

You sure you on the right thread?

 

Unfortunately "wet markets" are part of the Chinese culture/way life for some/many ?, I'm not sure the closing of them could happen, if they are closed by the Chinese government they will just become a black market.

As you say in your second paragraph very worrying.