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Exactly, “won’t come cheap”.i never said the wages would be huge, but for us, I’d suggest he’d be on more than the average, which is ‘big’ if the budget isn’t massive

 

Were talking Bradford City, I have never said finding a diamond will be easy, it will be difficult and IMO that money should be spent on the firsf team squad, but that's another debate.
I'm not too sure even though Fabragas was shown the door af Barca he would have been picked up by a Crewe or Peterborough United, come on mate your better than that.

 

Dave, sorry mate but I think you’re getting yourself into a tizz and forgetting the point of the debate.

The original point was whether it is worthwhile having a dev squad. You appear to prefer the youth system and that has proved more worthwhile over the years? BUT nobody has suggested it is one or the other? So what is the harm of having both systems?

Many of our youth players (the ones that didn’t get snapped up as 12y olds) have nowhere to go once they are 18. If we just release them all, there MAY be a chance we could lose a late developer. It happens, even at top clubs.

So, we continue with our academy of finding 8/9yr olds and developing them. If they get snapped up by bigger clubs, then we have to make sure we are compensated accordingly.

And if they aren’t snapped up, we have to provide a better pathway into our 1st team. Surely you can’t be disappointed that we rarely bring through any players to our 1st team? This is where the Dev Squad will fill that gap.

But, we should always be looking out for the boys released by other clubs. If they are happy to join our Dev Squad and try to break their way into our 1st team, this has got to be another viable option right?

So, what is it you don’t agree with? What is it that you are arguing your corner about, because I think I’m getting lost

 

Fabregas wasn't released. Arsenal nicked him and Barca were fuming!

 

That can't be right.

 

No Spanish player can sign a professional contract, when under 16.

Man U did the same with Gerard Pique.

 

Sorry I was being sarcastic as another poster was saying otherwise :thumbsup:.

 

And do you really think that in financial terms the cost of hundreds of failures offsets the chance of an odd star being produced Like me you were a salesman and no doubt you had to justify at some stage your profit figures
Would like to see just how many stars we need to produce to offset the failures

 

Just look over the last few years how much without really trying our budget has been boosted by sales and add ons from players from our youth set up. Imagine that on a bigger scale

 

But that is not the model they are trying to sell us is it, they are happy to bring in 19/20 year olds who have failed at other clubs hoping to unearth a diamond, totally different to bringing kids through the Youth Academy in the past that the likes of the above mentioned have come through, stop spinning to suit you agenda.

 

It’s both isn’t it we have invested in the youth set up and got good coaches and links with the school,and the development Squad for older youngster either from the academy or released from bigger clubs

 

Not all the talent goes to the big clubs. If parents don’t have the means or opportunity to travel three times a week to training and then weekends to matches, then those kids will stay local or go onto other things. Most talent is lost because of this.

 

We need patience with young players, can we afford to keep them despite not proving themselves in their first season? The fact that the board were ready to unload (rumour) McCarten in January is absurd. I promise you he will come good. Then we had McNulty on loan didn’t do a thing, he needed to go down another league in order to come good. We need a proper plan, we also need to know how long we can keep them in transition.

 

We've had a Youth Academy for many years that is nothing these guys have brought to the club,
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/2034944.Youth_team_provide_conveyor-belt_of_talent/
what they have brought to the club is their dream of bringing a player who was not good enough to make the grade Robinson being an example at Arsenal, a different animal.

 

Yes we have had but we are putting a more concentrated effort into it with better coaches and with the development Squad somewhere for young players not ready for the first team to develop further. We are going round and round on this and we are never going to agree. It is the reason despite their mistakes I support the owners I wish we had done this and supported years a go after all we have tried the other way often enough with very limited success but as I say we are going to have to agree to disagree

 

I

ts a centre of excellence not an academy as we aren’t up to academy status

 

Haaton?

Not sure about tom heaton.

But yeah and Clayton Donaldson and McBurnie

 

Just look over the last few years how much without really trying the COST of failed players
You didn't answer my question with facts to back up your assumptions
you did as you always do (very cleverly) and deflect from giving an answer should have been a politician

 

Todays footballing mentality and forward thinking is totally different from the 80's ............ No shit ?

To try and put some perspective behind all the various points, in this thread - Consider this ..........
In the 80's Player movement and funding was limited and few. Agree ?
My view is, that the Dev squad is a practical and good move. If Citys current strategy is viewed as negative - Then i doubt City would have signed John Hendrie when we did, if no Dev squad was in place (As we have, currently). Or put another way - Without a Dev squad will we find another John Hendrie ? Or perhaps, we may well have just found two, in Robinson, and Gibson ? If so - It's thanks to the Dev squad.