Club Statement - Crowd Safety

His job ?,

 

Maybe he said to the lad wearing the bobble hat that he looked a right tw at?

 

What incidents caused a "nasty " injurty?
What is the injury per flare lit, per game, worldwide?
What is the inherent risk of inhaling flare smoke in a stand?

Give me something to go on, facts, something that'll make me think there is something more dangerous by being in a stand with a flare than, say, riding a bicycle through BD9.

The latter I do every day and I'd feel safer in a packed Bradford End with 1000 flares.

 

So we've no data then?

Personally I am fine with them before a game, not during.

As for cyling, I do cycle through an area where fireworks are discharged every single night, my legs still haven't dropped off.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7707343/Woman-27-scarred-life-severe-burns-flare-struck-Liam-Gallagher-concert.html

 

The kids of today cannot be told, they don’t follow rules and think they are above the law.
On Thursday some of these cretins who are over 18 will have a vote. God help us

 

It ain't just kids though...

 

I do need data to consider risk. I've still not been given any. I am not encouraging, nor discouraging, I just think it's big fuss over not much at all. But, you mentioned atmosphere and it's only very recently that an Arsenal striker said he missed the flares and atmosphere of Ligue 1 compared to the sit and twiddle your thumbs nothingness of PL stadia.

I have read and know what they are, but if a person doesn't have a flare, but a pen, and sticks that in the eye of another, do you ban pens at football matches? I just asked for injuries per flare use, nothing has been forthcoming. I would have thought that considering the use of flares, accepted as normal, legal or not, in Scandanavia, Italy, France, Germany, Turkey and Greece that this would have produced a shed load of horror stories? Nope.

Don't some EU countries have them as not illegal? Just asking, but think it's true, are these countires nuts?

What is the stance on cold flares?

 

If you went to Rochdale away last season you probably don't need any more data.

The troglodytes with the smoke bombs throwing it into the opposition stand should be enough to ascertain that the creatures wanting to bring 'pyros' aren't smart enough to spell the word, and even if a smoke bomb is no more dangerous than a bottle top, you can see why BOTH have been banned from stadiums (at points).

 

That's fine John. But I do need data to reach an informed opinion. Rochdale is akin to "It's common sense innit", if that was the case then I'd wear a cycle helmet and likely put myself in more danger.

Like I said, I am for them pre-game, not during, if 0.05% of the fans have breathing problems, let them sit elsewhere. Maybe if the pyro kids could do something pre-game, they wouldn't feel the urge to fook about during?

 

They're not really interested in making pyros viable, they're just cool and a little bit nawty, lighting them is frowned on so gets the adrenaline pumping.

You aren't going to see a campaign from these lads to make pyros legal or acceptable, because the second it was acceptable I doubt they'd have any interest.

 

But I don't feel passionately about it. I've just a good nose for bullshit and you, in your rambling way, keep providing it.

One EU country has had legal pyro fan shows (pre-game) since 2015 and has not had one reported injury. It's illuminating to see that the (forward thinking) Scandanvian countries and the USA are talking about the use of pyro in certain situations rather than reactive, non-scientific hyperbole, AKA codswallop.....