Brexit

Indeed, but in all my lifetime neither the UK nor the Republic has ever really wanted NI despite the opposite rhetoric from both sides. The unionists need to negotiate whilst they still have meaningful power. I do hope that in my lifetime there is a united Ireland though and I think there will be.

 

This is one of the most ill informed post I have read on here, After both sides have defended the right to claim it after the separation of 1921, The UK have always defended its right to rule Northern Ireland over those years with the UK sending troops to defend its peoples right to be part of the UK when needed and the Republic having claimed it as part of a united Ireland and fought for it with the Republic financed IRA murdering hundreds in the name of a united Ireland and Sinn Fein fighting on the political side for a united Ireland I find your claim that neither side wants it as rather puerile,

 

Puerile? Really? It is well documented (Google is your friend) that even in the 1970's if the UK had have offered NI back to the Republic, it would have passed on that parcel very quickly, who would want that problem? As I said, despite the rhetoric from both sides, that is the truth.

There is a very illuminating declaration for you Trevor.

Outgoing Merlyn Rees, NI secretary to G Fitzgerald.

"Garret,” he said, “for two years I had to listen politely to people like you mouthing this nonsense. Now, I don’t have to. If a British minister turned up at the border one morning and handed you the keys to Ulster, saying ‘Here it is — all yours’, what would you do, Garret? What would you do? I’ll tell you. You’d all have coronaries.”

 

To be honest that amounts only to tittle tattle and their own opinions not based on fact but on their own views,
Both the UK and the Republic have an official and public stance that they both want Northern Ireland, Hundreds of lives have been lost by the fact the Republic wants a united Ireland

 

Some interesting posts I've just caught up on over the weekend..

@trevor
@Bronco
@Dionysus
@Offcomedun

Hat's off for some balanced posts fellas, enjoyed reading them!

 

No, the Republicans in the north have always wanted a united Ireland. And I expect that Eire probably would welcome it now. But @abbomf is right. The south wouldn't have touched Ulster with a barge pole during the troubles.

 

Hail Bercow the Boris Slayer.

 

You ain't seen the last of Boris yet mate, democracy (look it up) will prevail...eventually...

 

Just FYI a customs union is 100% still democratic by your measure, if that’s what you’re referring to.

 

As much as I appreciate a speaker who seeks to challenge the executive, it very much was the John Bercow Show, starring John Bercow, directed by John Bercow this afternoon.

That said, he was just following the rules. The government knew this wasn’t going to fly - we’re constantly dialling up towards a Boris Johnson VS all those mean people won’t let me do what I want General Election.

Think this deal may well pass the Commons (at least initially), but if and once it gets to the Lords I fully expect a ‘shock defeat’ to bundle into the above narrative alongside an almighty performative governmental strop and an election campaign (although if the bill fails the Commons this also plays into the government’s hands). The EU are watching and waiting, and they are 100% going to grant an extension.

 

A general election all parties declare exatly how they stand with regards brexit, the country votes knowing whichb party to support given their own preferance to the outcome.
Call it a second referendum in all bar name, if the likes of the Lib/Dems get in they would dismiss the original vote and keep us in the EU, I would not be happy because of all the stuff about it being a one off vote but we can't go on as we are doing.

 

It has been a real mess for the best part of three years and all so unnecessary IMO, I posted a long time ago that we should have agreed to stay in the customs union and single market and all that implies including never having to solve a NI problem, We should have come out of all the political side of the EU and then let it settle down, This would have given time then for a negotiated withdrawal over time from the customs union and agree friction less trade with the EU, With the country split 48/52 it always demanded a soft brexit at least to begin with and the Tories have made a real mess of trying to impose one way of leaving and brought this upon us all

 

I do think First Past The Post is responsible in part for this mess. The British political system is ill equipped to deal with situations like these where you have a dissenting voice as high as 48% of the vote.

Ironically a more European style PR system would gradually make us more used to building consensus and working relationships that would begin to help us solve situations like these.

 

But do they know what they want and will they stick to it?

 

I agree but the turkeys won't vote for Christmas.

 

Blimey, might have to agree with you here, for once
I too would now prefer a PR voting system, didn't UKIP recently get a few million votes in a GE and yet no MP's, don't want a UKIP party of today but under PR then the Brexit party would surely dominate at the expense of the incompetent tories with the marxists trailing well behind the LibDims and Sturgeons Krankie party....

 

Now that is the question.
Lib/Dems have made their intentions clear (and fair do's) althought I think saying they will not recognise the referendum vote is hardly democratic.
I believe the next election the Tories will select pro brexit candidates where they can, and who knows what the Labour party might stand for come a general election.
I have friends and family in the Pontefract area and around there and they say they will never vote Labour again, I do believe Labour are so determined to stop bexit they have lost touch with their electorate.
You could see during the early discussions that the emphasis was a soft brexit with regards Theresa May deal as her negotiators were leaving right and center and would not be part to her deal she was never going to threaten to pull out with "no deal" although she reminded us at every opertunity "no deal" was better than a poor deal, but the situation needs to be brought to a conclusion

 

There are a lot of folks over here wondering what will happen to them after Brexit
They have no Spanish rights and are not allowed UK votes
This must be the same for foreign folks living and working in the UK
Tiss a mess

 

There was a woman on the radio yesterday from Sheffield said that she was at a WMC in Barnsley one night last week where the crowd who once burnt an effigy of Thatcher were now cheering Boris as they watched him on the telly tearing into C****n ...

 

It didn't help when Yevette Cooper was seen as one of the main instigators to stop any brexit happening even when the vote to leave was 69.26 I think that is a petty clear message to her, yet Yevette knows best.