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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Bronco

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    But we don't know all the facts, we have peoples opinions no more, as the UK would be the first to leave the EU that would set a precedent which other countries if they wished could follow with a little more clarity of what their situation could be.
    I believe Switzerland is bordered by 5 EU countries but don't have hard borders, and as I posted to you the other day the EU have acknowledged if the UK leave with no deal they would not have a hard border between Northern and Southern Ireland, so why is it such a big deal in the back stop ?.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6126568/swiss-border-irish-ireland-brexit-customs-union/
     
  2. Park bantam

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    One reason is access for the south and free trade and movement over the border.And of course having borders could restart the troubles
     
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  3. Bronco

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    Thank you for answering my question, so if the EU say they don't want hard borders why is that the major issue in the back stop, offer a certain period to show they are not required 12/18 months then we leave the customs union, every ones happy, I believe Theresa May would get that through Parliament unless the remainer's wanted to remain in the customs union.
     
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    It is a problem because there will have to be custom checks and borders which will differentiate between ulster and the UK and the unionists won't have it
     
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    So only a problem for the UK but not the EU as they said they would not have a hard border ??.
     
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    That’s the crux isnt it if we leave with agreement there can’t be an hard border because the south won’t accept it and therefore nor will the EU. And Ulster won’t be different from the rest of us. Insurmountable problem?
     
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    But it isn't the crux is it, the EU say they would not have a hard border if we left with no deal, yet tell us we can't have the same situation instead of the present customs union deal.
     
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    In the event of a no deal brexit all the parties have now said there will be no hard border in Ireland, If they can do it for a no deal brexit why are they insisting on the backstop in Mays's Deal? Just remove it as they say they will never use it then we can leave
    The EU says there will be no hard border,
    The Irish say there will be no hard border
    The UK says there will be no hard border

    The truth is that the EU speak with false tongues, EU finance ministers from the major EU economies are now saying the EU cannot afford to let the UK leave because it may fail with most EU countries now falling in to recession especially Germany with big trouble ahead if they have to lose the UK economy which is the only one showing growth,
    While the rest of the world is flourishing the EU are in trouble, We need to be out and not dragged down in to recession with them
     
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    Best of five?
     
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    Mark Francois and Andrew Bridgen. Funny as *@?$ those two, there’s no need for satire anymore.

    What a pair of tools.
     
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    Just seen Macron giving it large in front of the TV camera's about not extending Theresa Mays request, just STFU and veto the extension defying the other 26 if you have the balls, if not sort your own "yellow Jacket" problem out, that originally started about fuel prices, yes of course it did.
     
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    I see Marcon the "Rottweiler" turned out to be bubbles the Poodle.
     
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    The problem with NI is one of regulatory alignment and in the case of the swiss they have border checks. Not on all goods but the majority they do. Its a simple case of Googling it.

    The EU have said they wont put up a border not that there wont be a border there is a major difference. To be honest both sides are playing silly beggars with this. The EU are saying that they wont put up a border because of good friday, the UK say the same. This plays into the EUs hands because if theres no border theres no brexit, plain and simple. Without a way to do checks electronically and trust me there would be one now if it was technically possible, then there wont be a borderless brexit. So for brexit to truly happen there must be border checks as the regulations will differ. The EU have us by the balls because they know the party who overthrows the good friday agreement is the party that stays out of power for decades.

    If you want a reason why the tech doesnt exist for the border it is this. The worlds largest super computer would take over 50 years to solve a 30 piece jigsaw puzzle. When variables exist in computing systems the data is agregated and the system makes predictions to enable the system to process whatever it is doing. Things like borders or jigsaws require absolute accuracy and so without quantum computing it is just not possible.
     
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    The french are a particularly insufferable people arent they? do my head in.
     
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    This particular Frenchman yes, and let's not forget De Gaulle doing everything he could to keep the UK out of the European Economic Community all those years ago.
    Macron was giving it large to any TV crew that would listen, it would have only take him to veto the proposed extension and that could have brought brexit to a head.
    The EU don't want 20/30 Brexit Party EMPs come the EU elections, although it would make great TV.
     
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    Hes just posturing they need our military capabilities in mali and would never actually go against us.
     
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    The French armed forces capability is far bigger than the UK, They have a larger air force and navy, The help in Mali is for political support not because they need it,
     
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    French, Meh!
     
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    The latest computers can do a 400 piece jigsaw in just 3 minutes
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21922-algorithm-beats-jigsaw-solving-record/
    https://phys.org/news/2010-05-software-jigsaw-puzzle.html

    BTW on your electronic border claim, There is already a border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland for some goods and tax rates that differ between the countries that have to be checked and part of that is done electronically with pre registering of goods and computer checking on arrival. The system is not as far off as some think but is not yet ready. I agree though that the backstop was designed by the EU and agreed by a remain supporting PM and civil service to either stop us leaving or tie us to the EU indefinitely
     
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    I’ve always seen the Rees-Moggs as salt of the earth, plucky underdog, anti-establishment types :)

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