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Grayson deal nearing close

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Urban Soldier, May 3, 2018.

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  1. Bronco

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    Maybe they need to have a word with the past owners they seemed to be relatively sucsessful for 5/6 seasons whilst giving us fans cheap season tickets, they knew exactly what they were purchasing and every chance they got on tv or in the papers told us it was very much part of their reasoning when buying our club, put up or move on some of us are a littke tired of your ideas of how you intend to take us forward, when you have done exactly the opposite.
     
  2. Dennis

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    I've said previously that imo they are not fools and it isn't in their interest to do anything which reduces the value of their investment in buying the club. I've also said that I believe they have, for whatever reason, seriously underestimated the effort and investment needed to get out of Div 1 and into the Championship. I believe they haven't understood how the vast majority of Div 1 clubs (more than three-quarters at the last count) rely on their owners to underwrite the clubs losses in having unsustainable plating budgets. I'm guessing that after two years of ownership and a much better understanding of football finances in the lower leagues, their position will have changed.

    I don't for one minute expect them to invest much more of their money into our club so that supporters don't have to find more money from their own pockets. If we want a squad capable of being promotion contenders, we fans have to pay for that privilege otherwise we will be treading water until their concept of the development squad reaches fruition.
     
  3. Aaron Baker

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    Because they benefit from the increase in value that would result from that investment?

    A normal business should yes, however, football clubs don't and it's very difficult to compete if you're not following that same method.
     
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    Whilst I get the gist of your post, I don’t think it is “ultimately the fans’ choice”. Regardless of what we think, we don’t set the ST prices and nor do we have any say on how the budget will be spent
     
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    But how much would they have to put in to achieve that especially when you consider the club is losing money already
     
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    Not quite factually correct here.

    They haven’t yet had 3 closed seasons; this is their 3rd and it has barely started. Also, we had a manager in place last summer, so didn’t need to ‘rebuild (under a different owner)’.

    But yes, I do hope we can tie Simon down. I didn’t agree with the sacking of McCall and I do agree with your general point in that we need some continuity.
     
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    That's up to them isn't it?
     
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    No clearly we don't. But the message we send out via social media is that we want or expect promotion; that we want ticket prices to remain cheap and therefore that we expect the owners to invest more into the club as many other owners do. Oh yes, and we want a better playing surface for the players and better infrastructure and facilities around VP. And that just isn't a sustainable model.

    A different and sustainable model will have to involve the fans either paying more or we have to reduce our expectations accordingly. And that fundamental choice will be ours since the money if any will have to come out of our collective pockets. How we ever get to that decision point is debatable.
     
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    What I am saying is from the amount they would have to put in there is little or no chance of a return on investment
     
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    Nobody makes money on football at this level, its not so much an investment, more of an expensive adults train set. If they were coming into this looking to make money every month they would have been better sticking their money in the bank.
     
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    Then they've made a stupid decision by purchasing the club then.

    Although if we got to the premiership I'm sure they'd make a pretty good return and rightfully so.
     
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    Unless you're in the premier league it's very difficult for a football club to fund itself without it being successful. These owners came in with a plan and we were led to believe they were "investors" to my knowledge they've invested zero apart from money used to purchase the club. Why on earth would you buy a football club and run it worse than the previous owners who sold it because they didn' have the money to carry on the relative success it had achieved for 4 years? Success creates income and with their model you can't create success with a budget of peanuts. If they are that confident in their plan then fund a run to the championship take half the money back get to their goal of premier league in 7 years now 5 take all their money back and a nice bonus and we're all happy. But no they're trying to do it all without spending a penny
     
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    The point is year one we had no manager, thus a delay.

    Year two we had internal strife and discussions on going regarding if SM was staying, thus a delay

    Year three, now, if we don’t get a manager appointed by end of the week another delay.

    I’m not that fussed about continuity but early decisions need to be made. Continuity is good but if the partnership isn’t working change it rather than continuing for the sake of continuity
     
  14. How

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    They have increased haven’t they?

    Can’t increase them too much in one go otherwise fans would be up in arms if we didn’t go up
     
  15. Bronco

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    Stefan has made exactly that comment we as a club need to be generating enough to sustain itself, I'm not sure how that can work initially even last season getting to Wembley we lost money, you usually find even though club that get promotion finish up making a loss.
    Football is not like most businesses as although you are paying wages, gas, elet. etc you have a limited income coming in, your busuness is not generating income during the closed season but might as in our csse have the expenditure of revamping the pitch.
    These two are sucsesdful business men ( Stefan more so) I can't belive they have bought a business one has no expertise in and the other very limited expertise in although he says otherwise,.
    They have two choices they keep the Lidl model bums on seats stadium well full, match day revenue plus merchandise as now and maybe they will have to subsidise that from time to time with a cash injection, be that their own or monies we generate fron a Cup run, the other being raise season ticket prices to a level similar to other league one clubs and take the consiquences of less paying public, potentially less matchday revenue and of course lossing face because they can't sustain their well versed comments with regards cheap football for fans.
     
  16. Bronco

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    So let's hear them be open with fans and tell us not merely are they not prepared to invest any more of their own money in the club but they feel that we are getting our football fix far to cheap, I honestly dont think they have the balls @Dennis@Dennis it would be a massive climb down and any creadability they had will be shot to pieces IMO.
     
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    Stefan has quoted " its a risk worth taking" what sort of comment is that ?, certainly not one your clubs fans want to hear.
     
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    Winner, send a copy to our owners.
     
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    Ian Miller to join as head scout? where would this leave Abbo
     
  20. BoingBoing

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    Agree. The problem is that the likes of Fordy and Aaron Baker will just not agree. They think we should get our cake and eat it and if they aren’t allowed, they’ll just take the biscuit instead
     
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