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When do we start to question Hopkin?

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Fordy117, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. Idlebantam

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    Is sacking Hopkin now as big a risk as some will tell us, given we are approaching the last 2 months of the season?

    I think a bigger risk is actually sticking with him.

    For sure, we shouldnt go down the route we did when sacking Todd, by having no replacement in mind who could come in and potentially give us the new manager bounce.

    If I was Rhodes, I would be recommending to Rupp, that we approach Paul Hurst. A relatively young manager with 3 promotions to his name already, and transforming a poor Shrewsbury side into play off finalists.

    Even if we were still relegated, I would feel a lot more optimistic that Hurst could rebuild us into a side that could challenge for promotion.

    Of course, Hurst might have no interest, but surely worth an enquiry?
     
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  2. Bronco

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    This comment is not aimed as a swipe at David Hopkin as I dont know what was involved with regards to his two promotions, but I'm not sure it could be on a par with the likes of Luton and what they achieved last season and this season the way their coaching staff have got them performing.
     
  3. Fordy117

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    All the players that moved to other div 1 clubs barring Sunderland.

    Can't be bothered naming players.
     
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  4. Bronco

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    Have you ever thought about going into politics @Fordy117@Fordy117 ;).
     
  5. How

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    A lot would be happy to pay 300 I think. Certainly on here.

    From when the previous season starts it’s only 50 quid a month to put in bank ready to buy the next seasons ticket.

    As for ambitions I was thinking of this yesterday. Where does that ambition come from? I look at a team like Portsmouth who in recent seasons have gone up and down the leagues but always seem to build good sides and challenges for promotion. They have won league titles and an fa cup

    Our success has always been in the play offs. Never quite good enough to win a league but good enough to do well in Cup type games to get promoted.

    How have we never had a side over the last decade or more who can be promoted auto or win a league? What formula does that take?
     
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  6. trevor

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    To be fair to Hopkin he was hoping to move players on to also free up some spaces and no doubt some cash, But even taking this in to account his recruitment was a shambles
     
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    We can’t keep ditching managers we have to stick with one and see it through. This contuning recycling managers is disruptive. What our club needs now is stability. Changing our manager now may well disrupt the whole team, the players are playing for him, and all speak highly of him. We will need his experience if we get relegated. I know it is not a popular stance, but sometimes you just have to put your faith in the manager to see if through.
     
  8. Fordy117

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    Just think it's a pointless task.

    Players move and are available mate.

    Problem is our manager wanted to waste wages instead of solving the issues he clearly identified and it's costing us.

    0 goals in 3 says it all really!
     
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  9. Fordy117

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    His task was is to keep us up. You can't reward failure mate.
     
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  10. How

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    Start making enquiries for managers and we might aswell get rid of this one now.

    I don’t understand your logic. We have clearly improved under Hopkin. He has a clean slate in the summer and he can sign all the positions he needs to build his side. Be it in league two or whatever.

    He may still keep us up. Can you explain how it’s a bigger risk keeping him than sacking him?
     
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  11. trevor

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    The successful clubs change managers if needed to keep them being successful and avoid relegation, The losers keep the same one even though failing hoping the leopard can change his spots before even the penny drops for the fact they are failing through inaction or complacency with a bizarre thought that it will all be ok in the end
     
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    Bet Norwich wish they had sacked their manager last season. Rubbish he was
     
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    How has he improved us, Post his record of matches and wins ( 1 in 7 recent ) Next season most of the players are still under contract so most will still be here, If he cannot win with them now what makes you think he can in the future?
     
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  14. How

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    5 defeats in 17?
     
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    I did say WINS, Draws take you down and he has been in charge for around 29 games not 17
     
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    Yeah and I said we have improved so you usually look at recent fixtures to see an Improvement.

    Every stat you look at shows we have improved going forward and defensively than the first 3
    Months of the season.

    It is probably be the first 15 games which will Have killed us though


    If you can’t see we have improved then you don’t know football
     
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    I know results and one win in seven games is not an improvement no matter how much you know football, Not sure of full record but I believe someone posted he has won 7 games out of around 29, if you think that is acceptable then I doubt you really know football
     
  18. Bronco

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    Without doubt Hopkin's recruitment has been strange to say the least, and as we fans are not privy to what goes on during transfer dealings we rightly question his signings.
    Most fans thought we needed strengthening in several positions, strker, CD, a wide man and cover for left back.
    He brought Wood in and his debut was very promising but unfortunatly once again he looks to have aggravated an old injury.
    We didnt get the striker/target man to help Doyle, yet he brought a like for like player to Payne by bringing Clarke back.
    The lad Butterfield was another, we had enough cover for his position, I can see that he may think Butterfield has the quality to improve us but I would have thought other positions were a bigger priority, but as I posted we are not privy to who he tried to bring in or how near he was to getting said players over the line.
     
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    How as he improved us. Have you looked at the league table recently?

    When he was appointed we were not in the bottom 4, just in case you havent looked at the league table, we are 2nd bottom now, and running out of games.

    I have little or no confidence that he will lead us to safety, nor in managing us to challenge for a promotion bid should we end up back in league 2
     
  20. How

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    Again you’re filling in the blanks to suit your argument.

    Where once have I said it is acceptable? We have improved and will continue to improve between now and the end of the season. Whether we get to the famous 50 points is another matter.

    But we have had 15 months now of absolute shocking performances and defeats and had 4 managers who could not turn it around.

    We seem to be turning the corner, all be it slowly, but with a squad he inherited which was top heavy recruited on names rather than a team. He already knows what he will want in the summer.

    But people want it all now and have the Veruca Salt mentality. Let’s get rid of another and appoint someone else. Paul hurst etc for example. What happens if they lose their first 5 games and we are relegated? Will they get next season to turn it around?
     

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