Brexit

Well obviously just my opinion but here we go. This deal has no chance of being accepted because:

*Remainers - it will be a free vote for MPs (allegedly) therefore those who wanted to remain will vote that way
*Brexit MPs (Johnson, Reece-Mogg etc.) will vote it down as they cannot acknowledge this was the best deal the UK are ever going to get as if they did it would be an acknowledgement that the land of milk & honey + unicorns for all was never achievable in teh first place
*DUP - will never accept anything like the deal on offer over the Irish border/deal
*Scottish MPs - most could/would vote down because N.Ireland has been given special treatment - why didn't Scotland get any such deal as they overwhelmingly voted remain
*Welsh MPs - possibly mischief making but i've seen they said similar to Scottish MPs but I cant see how they justify this especially as Wales voted for Brexit.

The only MPs that will support this are those that are either:

*Too weak to make a shout for leadership of the Conservative Party
*Are playing the long game & will vote for it if they think this gets the ear of any future leader (see comment below)
*Are Michael Gove. He has already stabbed Boris in the back & even the Conservative party get to a point of not supporting back stabbers. So he has to support the PM in order to make his position stronger for the future leadership bid if (when) the 48 letters are reached
*Actually support the PM
*Want Brexit at all costs - so probably have old money behind them or have already moved there money away (See Reece-Mogg again) so would have limited impact upon them but again gets the hardcore vote behind them
*Broadly repeat for Labour party

*Have listened to there voters & work in an area where they voted Brexit (I just put this in for a laugh as when do MPs ever listen to anything...)

Just my thoughts/observations, but seems to make sense to me!

 

It is a bad deal, we are locked into deal we can't exit from unless the very people we are trying to exit from allow us to, nobody in there right mind would sign up for that sort of deal.

 

I should add here that only if it goes past the date.... which apparently it wont.

But thats the point isnt it - why did anyone think the EU would give a good deal, this is the best of a deal is going to be & the EU are safeguarding there options

 

If only WE had dictated the terms the day after article 50 was triggered we wouldn't be in this mess, it's as simple as that....

 

The only good thing that’s coming out of this, is the Tory scumbags ripping their party apart, limb by limb...Strong and stable, lol.

 

They were never going to give us a good deal or it would have opened the door for other countries to follow.
I do believe it should have been a Brexiter who should have been negotiating without interference from above, even Dominic Raab who was part of the negotiating team after David Davis resigned, felt his position was being compromised by Theresa May.
As Dominic Raab said on this mornings Andrew Marr's program and said "the bridge from the end of the implementation to the future relationship with a combination of custom union and single market with no possibility of getting out, no democratic country in history has ever signed up for something like that".
I think many may have been prepared to vote the deal in, if when we thought the bridge period was concluded we were the ones who decided that we would leave totally.

 

We were hamstrung from the start by the problem that no one could emphatically define what Brexit actually meant. The EU had a clear vision of what they would accept.

David Davis being appointed was a huge mistake. A politician who had been out of the loop for a number of years, and one who completely underestimated the task ahead. The best person would have been Michael Gove, he does detail which was essential. Unfortunately, politically that was a no no because of his perceived treachery to Boris.

I don't know where we go from here, but I still doubt we will 'leave' the EU next March. There are too many unknowns at this stage.

 

I’m seriously of the opinion we should just crash out and press reset. There’s no way the right wing knobheads will shut up whinging till we do, and their followers won’t stop parroting their meaningless words they’ve never used before, like cabal and vassal.

Once it turns to shit, which it will, and the general public start gets hit where it matters (in the pocket), and they realise a cult like belief, a new Royal Yacht, spitfires, National service, blue passports, a new trade deal with Australia and catching a few more fish ain’t gonna do shit. They won’t be able to blame the Polish builders, Labour or the EU anymore. The generation coming through will probably take us back in the EU within 20 years, in the Euro, and out of Schengen, they don’t see the rest of Europe as the enemy.

 

I'm not sure they had, it was a new ball game to them just as it was for Cameron when he and many others thought it could never happen hence why there were no plans for a Brexit deal.
Not sure David Davis under estimated it, he said there was interference from above not allowing him to pursue his idea of Brexit.
We can only assume that was Theresa May who we all now was a strong remainder, Dominic Rabb saying similar, and that's why he said he would not put his signature to the deal on offer.
With regards where we go from here I believe there will be there will be some kind of a fudge because the deal Theresa May is offering hasn't a cat in hells chance of getting through parliament.
As I posted "I think many may have been prepared to vote for the deal if after the bridge period was concluded we were the ones who decided that we would leave totally" if not we are still paying into the coffers, the other 27 make the rules which we have to abide by and we have no saying in anything, that cant be a good deal.

 

Love it. I wish it wasn't actually all true but it is!!

 

Im coming to that opinion. Let them have their day, all go to pot, then re enter with a massive majority and its put to bed. Shame we need to suffer 10 years for it though

 

Absolutely crazy talk. In what way would we suffer?

 

In what way would we suffer from Brexit as it stands at the moment? I think it’s easier to turn around that question, instead of me writing pages and pages, to ask the question back, how will we benefit from Brexit?

 

The Irish backstop apart that will be dealt with eventually the deal offered by the EU is the best deal they have ever offered anyone and is a good deal, The hard liners will hate it and want a crazy no deal exit and of course Labours official policy is to remain in the EU but with no representation,

Lets see what the EU deal offers the UK
Freedom of movement returned to the UK
No Paying in to the EU budget after initial settlement
Visa free movement of UK citizens in the EU
Freedom to arrange and sign trade deals anywhere in the world
Sovereignty of borders returning fishing and other rights to the UK
Freedom of the skies and the right to overfly the EU
Security partnerships with the EU on criminals and terror
Lots of minor but important sovereign issues
A commitment to negotiate a trade deal within the 2 year implementation period that will then render the backstop void,

No other country has negotiated or been given a deal that the UK has been offered it is far superior to any other deal

 

I want to know what areas you think we'd suffer? My line of work is supply chain and I already trade with more countries outside the EU than inside the EU, we're not a 3rd world country if we want to get a product/service from A to B, we're smart people we will figure that out.

 

That's the way to encourage the opposition to take the deal on offer :

European Council President Donald Tusk has spoken of a "special place in hell" for "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely".

Was his comment lost in transition, what a complete t**t.

 

If only we had 1 strong member of this piss poor government then we could bring this lot to their knees after telling them how we are gonna take control of the situation....

 

I believe that applies to most MPs of any persuasion mate, they are all found wanting when push comes to shove.

 

Snowflake.