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Training Grounds, Stadiums, CEO’s, Owners …..

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Nov 13, 2025.

  1. Bigrod

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    I remember the comments made about Richie Smallwood’s move to Tranmere Rovers and their apparently excellent Training Facilities.
    Tranmere are currently 18th in League Two, and 3 points above the drop and 9 points outside the Play Offs.
    Do training grounds, owning the stadium, the quality of the CEO and the background of the owner make a difference?
    Irrespective of the Training ground, Tranmere seem to be a perennial lower table team, they spent time in the National League, only returning in 2018. Last season they finished 20th.
    Their owners are the Palios’s. Mark Palios is a former Football Association CEO. Prior to that he was a Senior partner at PWC accountants. He is a graduate of Manchester University. Subsequently he was a former professional player with over 400 appearances. A very impressive CV.
    Has his professional background lead to any sustained improvement? Have Tranmere progressed in any meaningful way?
    As has been pointed out on numerous occasions. Many Premiership clubs do not own their stadiums, yet remain and in many cases prosper in the Premier league.
    So should the regular argument(s) of get rid of the owner/CEO, build/own our training ground and stadium, be firmly put to bed? For sure it would be excellent to have owners, who could through their wealth, propel City forward. But where are they?
    Does wealth really mean success (looking at clubs like Reading and Sheffield Wednesday).
     
  2. Onside

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    Our manager has a different view. He thinks improvements in the structure of the stadium has a positive effect on the whole club including the fans. It is symbolic of progress.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0mg900n?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
     
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  3. Bigrod

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    Perhaps you could provide direct quotes, as to the difference in views?
    The ‘improvements in the structure of the stadium’, have happened irrespective of ownership.
    I wouldn’t disagree that in general, any ‘improvements’ are positive. However apart from seats, then in the lower part of the Main Stand where I sit, then the other ‘improvements’ have passed me by.
    How does the manager have a ‘different’ view?
    I commented on ownership, and the background of key individuals, rather than ‘improvements’ in the structure of the stadium.
     
  4. Birky Bantam

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    Mark Palios has been wanting to sell Tranmere for a bit as he doesn't want to keep putting money in and last season they borrowed money from Norman Smurthwaite (ex Port Vale owner) to cover some of the costs. Because of this the training ground can only have limited benefit when they can't afford to pay for the best players.Ultimately in football the main decider of success more often than not is the budget or it will at least cover up some of the poor recruitment. A good training ground can help but if there is a head to head between joining us to train at a school or Burton to train at St George's Park there will only be one winner when we can offer a better financial package.
     
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    We could train at St. George's.....school. is it still there even?
     
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  6. CRASS

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    Rage bait at best Rod. But I’ll bite. A good training ground doesn’t make a successful club, but all successful clubs have good training facilities. Plus, our owner wants a new training ground and I’ll back him.
     
  7. Bigrod

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    I understand that ‘good training facilities’ are likely to enhance a clubs performance. However we have what we currently have. Exactly what ‘extra’ do we need so that they would meet the minimum ‘good training facilities’ category? It is often talked about, but no one has quantified what this actually is? I would be interested to read any document, are there any measurable requirements? Perhaps linked to EUFA/FIFA category system?
     
  8. Rogered Tart

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    I'll play devil's advocate here and throw a question at you. if the club became cash rich do you think a new training and education centre would be on the clubs radar? I'd presume the club would jump at the chance. Your original post only uses examples of bat shit crazy clubs, there are various examples of clubs who have improved when new ownership with investment have come on board.
     
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  9. Inspector

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    Sharpe has said on record that the club wants its own training facility, so there’s obviously a benefit in having one. A place to call their own which could help attract better players. Let’s face it, players will spend 90% of their time there, so it needs to be home from home.
     
  10. Interested Bystander

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    The additional benefit is attracting youngsters to academy. Parents and kids would choose a set up that is inclusive, gym, medical, catering, physio etc, which is used by all teams.
     
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  11. Rogered Tart

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    You're essentially selling your product/service to a potential audience. More investment in terms of money and professionalism will ultimately see you turn out a better product. That's not to say money is the be all and end all, without the right people steering the ship the investment is pretty much pointless, an example in point Manchester United. Equally you can have the best folk at the helm of the ship it if you ain't investing in the best equipment, facilities etc for them to use, you need both for continued growth and success. Without you end up at the level your investment dictates.
     
  12. Inspector

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    With no sale in sight for the stadium, Rupp must have the money to potentially buy the land to set up a training ground for the club.
     
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    Why don't you ask Stefan/Sharpe why they think the club need new training facilities? I'm sure someone at the club could better shed some light on why they think its an important step in the progression of the club.
     
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  14. Kevin1954

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    Not sure why Tranmere keeps being used as an exampler of owning a training ground . It’s a SHARED community asset paid for by the local council in the middle of an industrial estate and waste dump right at the side of a busy dual carriageway . Check it out on Google Earth . The 3G pitch is available for hire as part of the community use requirement . Give me WHG and its location 8 days a week .
     
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  15. Bigrod

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    This was the comment made by a former City player, ‘“The building is one of the better ones I’ve been in, especially in the last couple of clubs,” he said. “The facilities off the pitch have not always been great. It’s really impressive and got everything you need and more. Apparently, the pitches are superb for the level anyway.” https://therealefl.co.uk/2025/07/15/former-bradford-city-man-lashes-out-after-finding-new-club/

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/25313601.ex-bradford-city-captain-richie-smallwood-joins-tranmere/
     
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  16. Kevin1954

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    I saw his comments and put them down to sour grapes Rod , grinding his axe ? According to their fans he’s not doing all too well , best he kept quiet . WHG has changed substantially for the better in the last two or three seasons hasn’t it.
     
  17. WilsdenBantam

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    Probably standard media speak. Who cares really Tranmere are crap and not a worth while example.
     
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    I understand the owner Mr Rupp wanting to build new training facilities. He has tried to negotiate a return of the ground back to the club and I think he has found that far too difficult. So having our own training facilities is something the club will own and increases the value of the club if he wants to sell.
     
  20. Inspector

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    I don't think we've had an update on either recently, but could be wrong.
     
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