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The frightening increase in losses in lower league football continues

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Jordan, Feb 18, 2026.

  1. NorthernMonkey

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    I'm not sure anyone who suggested we should cut our cloth accordingly also suggested that we would remain competitive.

    The comments I read just asked why we would automatically make huge losses if we were to be promoted and why couldn't we still run to an affordable budget whilst accepting it could mean we'd very likely struggle at a higher level.

    Both of which, I believe are a fair questions.
     
  2. Bradford End

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    Like he currently does, you mean?
     
  3. NorthernMonkey

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    To put right his monumental f**k up during his first few years here?

    Lets be right about it, we're in exactly the same position now as we had been under Lawn and Rhodes so he's not having that statue built just yet.
     
  4. Bronco

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    2016 they took over (well Rupp took over) and as you say league position wish were around the same as when Stuart took the managers job, if he was to get a statue it would be in cast iron not bronze.
     
  5. Dennis

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    Yes, I give him credit for putting some of his own money into the club to stabilise it. Most of it however was to sort out the financial mess created by his former partner for which he acknowledged he has some responsibilty. But I'd be surprised if he hasn't put further funds into the club in recent times on the playing side. Quite how much that has been we'll all find out soon when the latest financial accounts are published in the next week or so. I doubt however that it will come anywhere near what will be needed every year to become established as a Championship club. It will be orders of magnitude different.
     
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  6. AngryGaz

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    As much as i aint keen on him especially letting that grade A bellend cause all that damage he is running the club as it should be ..............pity the powers that be dont make every club follow the same structure rather than sitting back and allowing clubs to run up massive debts only for it all to go to bits.
     
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  7. Dennis

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    I start from the premiss that I want our club to become established in the Championship and we have an outside chance of doing it this season. I certainly don't want to be a one hit wonder though with promotion one year and relegation the following year. There are many examples - Rotherham, Wycombe, Posh - who followed that route and failed to fund their ambitions when in the Championship. That would be pointless imo and without the extra funding, we'd be back here again very quickly. Unfortunately given the scale of what would be required based on every other Championship club's experience, I doubt the current owner has the money to do it. There is no evidence of any club becoming established in the Championship in recent years without serious dosh behind them to fund the l9sses every Championship club makes every year. In almost every example, it's the club's owner who has funded those losses We might not want that or believe we can do something different or better but others have tried that and failed. That's the reality of Championship football.
     
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  8. Rogered Tart

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    You could technically cut your cloth, to quote the phrase, in the championship but it would be nigh on impossible to be anywhere near competitive. The wage jump between the two divisions is astronomical, you could stick too a strict rigid wage structure but wouldn't be able to attract the sort of championship level recruit needed to put in competitive performances every week.
     
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  9. Dennis

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    A few clubs have tried that with the inevitable result. The cost of a Championship level playing squad which is competitive over the entire season is incredible these days and that's what's necessary to stay in the Championship. It might change over time but currently, it's going in the wrong direction.
     
  10. Stafford Bantam

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    There was a clue in the last Supporters Board minutes "Ryan Sparks provided a detailed explanation of the reasoning behind the season ticket price increases: The club is forecasting losses of approximately £2.5–£3m, consistent with the owner’s agreed funding position.".

    Now how much of that is down to inceased funding on the playing side remains to be seen but, I suspect, it will be a fair perecentage of that £2.5 to £3m.
     
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  11. Dennis

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    That's helpful to know. I assume the loss Sparks quoted refers to the current season. It's interesting to know that the club had expected to make a loss and the owner had already anticipated that. If it does refer to the current season, as I'd expect it to, it doesn't surprise me one jot. And credit to Rupp for doing that. The club couldn't have survived without it and without it, we may well have been joining the relegation fight with Port Vale rather than flirting with a second promotion.
     
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    I believe in a recent interview Ryan said that with promotion last season, the commercial team were hoping to hit £12 million this season, compared with previous £8/9 mill previously, would your figure above be after the increase in the commercial side ?.
     
  13. Stafford Bantam

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    On the face of it, yes, the £2.5 to £3m loss would be after any increase in the commercial side. Unless, of course, the extra commercial income only came to light after the statement about the £2.5 to £3m loss. Maybe the Mbanq deal will help.
     
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  14. Bradford End

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    Woahhh, ‘gotcha’ moment right there!

    Anything remotely positive, play the Edin Rahic card!

    Let’s be right, we’re in exactly the same place in terms of league standing, but let’s not be naive enough to think we’re the same club - it’s chalk and cheese in comparison.

    Do better, Tony!
     
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    Ah well, he corrected his mistakes financially…BUT that doesn’t count!

    In Lehman’s terms, millions…..every…god…damn ….season!

    He still isn’t interested, though. He’s still actively looking to sell. Don’t own our own training ground, either.

    Yawn!
     
  16. NorthernMonkey

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    Chalk and cheese? In what way?

    We still don't own the stadium.
    We still don't have basic facilities like hot water in the stands.
    We still rent the same training facilities.
    We're seemingly still not able to compete financially with much smaller clubs, with much smaller attendances.
    We still play on a cabbage patch that rips up every winter.
    We still have zero pre match entertainment in terms of a fan zone around the stadium.

    But apart from all that, yeah chalk and cheese or sommat.
     
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    Sorry, I can’t take you serious if some of your points allude to poor pre-match entertainment, so therefore the club has somewhat stagnated.

    However, I’ll try.

    Please bear in mind, we’re at this point because I suggested Rupp is financially invested. Your response to this is, “we still rent the same training facilities”.

    What do you propose he does, chuck half of his net worth at building a new facility and the purchasing of Valley Parade? It isn’t feasible, nor is it the recipe for success.

    Since 2021, how much money do you think Rupp has invested into this club?
     
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  19. NorthernMonkey

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    The pre match entertainment and "fan zone" was promised by the club, another thing that never arrived. It affects me it absolutely no way but I was looking for differences between this and the last regime given you suggested that it was "chalk and cheese".

    Given I've obviously missed your point though, perhaps you could give me a few differences that would make your statement ring true?
     
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    We actually have two fan zones. One to the rear of the Kop and one in the courtyard of Darley Street Market.

    We generate 150% more commercial revenue than we did in 2015/2026.

    Crowds are significantly up, despite incremental pricing structures (100% increase in adult ST’s).

    The infrastructure at the club is night and day compared to 2015.

    Again, how much money do you think Rupp has invested into this football club since 2021?
     

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