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Stuart GONE!

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Dubai bantam, Dec 13, 2020.

  1. Silverbantam

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    That’s what they want us to think!
     
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  2. Aaron Baker

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    I'm not saying you're wrong but that makes zero sense.

    I can't see McCall being paid enough where reducing his monthly wage by 2/3, or something in that region, would make a blind bit of difference to the number or quality of players we could get in.

    If it did then he was definitely being substantially overpaid!!
     
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  3. Faithful Bantam

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    The managers salary isn't part of the cap is it?
     
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  4. Lard Arse

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    Salary CAP = Smoke & Mirrors
     
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  5. Frank Castle

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    Does it make less sense than giving a struggling manager a contract extension?
     
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  6. Foghornleghorn

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    I don't buy into the application process.
    Someone has already been sounded out and Turnbull has worked with them before it's so obvious and Stuart knew he was a goner if City failed to win at Oldham.
     
  7. Aaron Baker

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    Not in a logical sense, no. Both explanations seem ridiculous.

    It makes less sense in a mathematical way though.
     
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  8. Dennis

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    No that's not strictly correct but it takes a little bit of work to get the paperwork in order to do it advantageously. If the player plays ball, the club can cancel the contract, pay the player some (but not all) of the remainder of his contract and if the club knows what it's doing, arrange it so that some of it (£30k's worth) is tax free to the player and both sides then gain. The important point from the salary cap perspective is that what then becomes a separation/redundancy payment doesn't then count against the salary cap! It still costs the club money but creates headroom within the cap. The best option would be to get some other club to take over the existing contractsbut I can't see there being many takers for that!

    There are other ways to get players wages out of the salary cap but it requires a tougher approach. For example, if there was a player with a bad injury record (mentioning no names!), simply don't include him in the squad list when it is recast when the transfer window closes. He still has to be paid during his enforced lay-off but that doesn't count against the cap. That approach cold also be used against anybody else who the new manager doesn't want to play! Remove him from the squad list and let him twiddle his thumbs for a few months. The downside is that if there are are further injuries, he can't suddenly be recalled to play. These are tough decisions and depends on how much the owner is willing to have players on the payroll who aren't playing! That's a tough call.

    It's already been said by thre club that there is a considerable amount (circa £300k) still available within the cap to reinforce the squad. If that is true, I don't see any reason to pursue some of these tougher approaches.
     
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  9. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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    I agree he knew he had to win. Never seen him haul a player off after 30 mins before. Interesting he didn't put any of the youngsters on either.
     
  10. Inspector

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    Pleased he’s gone, more for him because he didn’t deserve to lose the love fans had for him.

    It’s essential that the next manager has experience of bringing in players, with little or no money to spend and setting up teams to defend as well as attack. When dealing with dummies it’s essential the message is kept to words of one syllable. Stuart over complicated things by changing formations too many times. Keep it simple.
     
  11. Loyalbantam

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    Stuart will be remembered at this club long after the current crop of nobody’s have gone.
    The players should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for the performances they’ve given Stuart.
    I personally have no affection for any of them and I sincerely hope not a single one of them is left at our club come the summer. Not a single one of them
     
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  12. Ulysses S Grant

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    I think its a mark of the man and his legend that the op is Stuart gone. Had it been anyone else it would be bowyer/ grayson/ hopkin gone. Just a small point, but the fact is we call him Stuart (mccall) because he's one of us.

    I hope leaving brings him some peace and next time he's back as a summariser or opposing manager, he gets the reception he deserves.

    Great guy, bad appointment. Let's move on and build a new epoch
     
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  13. Idlebantam

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    I blame Jamie Raynor, Stuart just couldn't handle his probing post match questioning.

    Seriously though, top journalist that Raynor fella
     
  14. Wakefield Bantam

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    I haven't read all 13 pages on this thread, but I can imagine most people are glad to see Stuart go.
    As for myself, I'm quite disappointed. There were clear mitigating circumstances in the close season as to why we couldn't recruit certain players. Wages were clearly one big factor, as 4 strikers were all offered deals only to turn them down. This was at a time when the wage situation was all up in the air - no one knew about the outcome of salary cap discussion at that time, or income from S/T sales, or even when the season would start.

    In his post match interview yesterday he said he wanted to move some players on in the summer but was unable to due to Covid. Stuart came to the club last season and could quite clearly see who wasn't his type of player, and a pound to a penny they would have been exactly the same players that us fans would have got rid of.

    Fast forward to the start of the season - personally I was surprised to see us play 3-5-2 as Stuart has always been a 4-4-2 manager. And again yesterday in his interview, he alluded to the fact he would prefer 4-4-2 as "we haven't got any wide players". I must admit I wasn't a big fan of seeing Anthony O'Connor popping up on the right wing as that a dangerous game when it comes to opposition counter attacks. How many times did we see 3 against 2 attacks against us because our centre backs were so high up the pitch? A very dangerous game, and I feel that 3-5-2 wasn't really in Stuart's heart, but that he had no choice.

    Injuries have killed us.
    Staunton has been a bright spark, and it's no coincidence the defence has gone to rat sh-t since he went out of the team.
    Ismail is the exactly the type of player Stuart likes but has spent more time on a physio's bed than on the pitch.
    Novak started the season well and has been a big miss in the 5 weeks (or whatever it is) he's been injured.
    Evans, with all his L1/Champ experience was brought in to strengthen us but has hardly played.
    Clarke has been pretty good this season but has been a big miss in the last couple of weeks.
    Guthrie has been poor, but could have taken the strain off Donaldson, who incidentally looks like his legs have gone.
    Hosannah has been bright but missed a couple of games, and now looks like he's another one who is going to be out injured with a hamstring strain.
    Cooke was missing for a short while, but has been half the player he was last year.

    So I suppose in summary I have a lot of sympathy for McCall. He has been dealt a horrendous hand in his third stint at the club. It is disappointing that Sparks chose to renew his contract and then sack him, what 10-14 days later? Surely Ryan can see the mitigating circumstances Stuart has had to deal with, and the plans for January are apparently well underway - so to have a complete loss of confidence with January only just around the corner is a tough one to take, as I feel that with 4-5 new signings in January that Stuart would have turned it around. The guy has managed 490 games of football - he's no mug, and he didn't say anything in his interview yesterday that anyone on here doesn't know. He knows EXACTLY what the problems are but now won't get a chance to see it through.

    The biggest fear for me is that we had all this talk about consistency not 2 weeks ago, and we're already looking for a new manager. Whoever it is needs to be given 2.5 years. Let's not faff about with 6 month/18 month contracts. Let a manager build the club over a period. But between now and January I can't see where the next point is coming from. The caretaker and ultimately only has the same shoddy tools to work with for the next 2-3 weeks.
     
  15. Wakefield Bantam

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    He's very good - he got a lot of unwarranted stick early in the season. Streets a head of the previous pundit Tim Steere.
     
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  16. Wakefield Bantam

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    The last thing we want is a "temporary until the end of the season" manager. We need a manager on a long deal. Sparks wants consistency and to build an identity. For that we need a manager on a 2.5 year deal minimum.
     
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  17. Wakefield Bantam

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    Can you honestly genuinely see Welshman Michael Flynn upping sticks from a stable club in Wales to come to Bradford?
     
  18. EricMcManus

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    If you de-register a player, you have to pay their wages for the remainder of the season and the player can't play for another club, but it does remove them from the cap.

    If you come to an agreement to terminate early (the previously preferred option) - they can join another club, but the settlement monies count towards the cap.

    So it's not straight forward.
     
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  19. Botswana Bantam

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    Cheers. I do settlement agreements at work but hadn't thought that the tax threshold element could save us anything much!

    Agree with you, ideally the player finds a longer contract e.g. 18 months or 30 months than the 6 they have left with us and therefore agree to terminate at an amount less than they would have got for the final 6 months. Guess we'd save on estimated win bonuses over the next months too!
     
  20. Botswana Bantam

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    Not sure his stick is unwarranted! His commenrary isn't great at times. Instead of explaining where the ball is positionally on the pitch and what's going on he waffles into more analysis, takes up time then Kiwomya does his bit and then suddenly when we had a thrown in they are on the edge of our box attacking.

    Needs to focus more on actually describing the play/action for me especially with free kicks, throw ins. At times if you're not watching and only relying on audio you have no idea where the ball is, it's just in "a dangerous position" , which could be anywhere!
     

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