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RIP John Docherty

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by TallinnBantam, Dec 4, 2024.

  1. Rogered Tart

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    I remember the Docherty era fairly well, mainly for the agricultural football on show. To be fair that style of football was more prevalent back then so it was more accepted, but was completely different to a couple of years prior and the football played by the 87/88 squad.
     
  2. Wakefield Bantam

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    Not sure about that
     
  3. Morley Bantam

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    For me, the passing of time may have dimmed my memory of the Docherty years.
    I remember the football being woeful but I dont think he was helped by the fact that his time came so relatively soon after the nearly season. I remember that he did sign some v good players- Babb, McCarthy, spring to mind. He also signed Torpey who I never rated at the time but went on to have a good career in the lower leagues. Balance that though with the signings of 2 players who would walk into my worst City 11 of all time - Darren Morgan and Alan Dowson!
    Regardless anyway, what we are seeing now is well up there, given the overall standard we are playing at.
    RIP JD
     
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  4. Silverbantam

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    But he signed Steven Torpey
     
  5. AngryGaz

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    You think the last 6 years have been better well apart from one season ???????
    Some bad games during the Doc years but my god this season alone is worse than anything he produced
     
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  6. Dubois

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    I remember one game at least where the whole crowd booed whenever we played it short and then cheered when we hoofed it. Happy days.
     
  7. Loyalbantam

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    He was a 1000000% better than Vadaine Oliver
     
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  8. Peaks Bantam

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    As has been said already he brought Sean McCarthy to the club which if I remember correctly was after the relegation from the old Div 2. Felt like a real statement of intent at the time (£250k or so wasn't it?) but alas didn't work out as we would have hoped.
    RIP JD
     
  9. Loyalbantam

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    250k, 30 years ago in the 3rd tier. What would that be worth today? 1-2million? Could anyone ever imagine us spending that kind of money in league 1?
     
  10. Wakefield Bantam

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    No, it’s been crap the last 6 years I agree, but I’m going to start comparing Alexander and Doherty otherwise we’ll be here all night.
     
  11. andyc

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    Dochert's football was awful, as were the majority of the players he brought in, and vertually all of them that came from Millwall, except Philll Babb.
    Torpey, Treacey, Reid Morgan, Dowson where there any more ?
    Tracey and Reid were trouble , Tracey soon back to London after smashing several shop windows on a piss up in Bradford.
    So no , you can not compare the Doc with GA
     
  12. andyc

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    I am better than Vadaine , even now after i have passed 60 years old.
    Signed by Mark Hughes as well, what does he know about football!
     
  13. andyc

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    just looked up big V's record.
    Over 270 league appearance , with 54 goals , 1 goal every 5 games.
    Very poor for a big lad .
     
  14. Bigrod

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    It was a challenge you put on here. The transfer fee, using the Bank of England Inflation calculator indicates the figure would now be £604,260.68! So not quite as high a figure as you guessed at. If we were in League 1 pushing for promotion to the Championship, especially in the January window, I could see the club spending that sort of figure.
     
  15. Loyalbantam

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    Well in 2016 and 2017 we were absolutely pushing for promotion to the championship as we finished in the playoffs 2 seasons in a row.
    What’s the most we spent? £200k on Charlie Wyke.
    So reversing your Bank of England inflation rate, what would that £200k be worth in 1991? Peanuts
     
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    McCarthy signed for City in 1990. The fee was reported to be £250,000. https://www.greensonscreen.co.uk/gosdb-players2.asp?pid=538
    Apparently, ‘Bradford City have confirmed they paid Carlisle United £250,000 for Charlie Wyke - just five months after requesting the fee be undisclosed’. https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/sport/football/carlisle-united/16752744.carlisle-utd-still-to-honour-agreement-over-undisclosed-charlie-wyke-fee-despite-bradford-revealing-250000-deal/
    So 25% more than you speculated in respect of Wyke.
    Both players moved to city for the same fee, but with a gap of 17 years.
    The sum of £250,000 in 2017 would be the equivalent of £135,108.52 in 1990. So more paid for McCarthy.
    The £250,000 we paid in 2017 for Wyke would now be the equivalent of £326,563.08
    The £250,000 we paid in 1990 for McCarthy would now be the equivalent of £604,260.68
     
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    Good info. So the fee we paid for McCarthy was a significant investment at that time and is very unlikely to be repeated today even if we were in the league above.
     
  18. Bigrod

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    It is difficult to gauge. We actually regularly ‘signed’ players for fees then (it is coming up 35 years ago, the world was different).

    I would think if we were very serious about promotion then a fee of up to £4/500,000 (probably dependent on actually gaining promotion) could be available.
     
  19. Loyalbantam

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    But where did the money come from back then?
    Average crowds of 5000 at £10 per game.
    Dave Simpson didn’t have a pot to piss in.
    Could it have been because we didn’t have to find £500k in annual rent?
    Also, you’re right that players are different. Very very rarely did they cry off injured for 2 seasons. They played every game and clubs got their moneys worth.
    Could you imagine signing a player for £500k and ending up with a Walker, Patisson that play 50% of games if we are lucky.
     
  20. Hoochy-Min

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    I remember we signed Jon Ford (from Swansea maybe?) for big money in the mid 90s. No idea where the money came from but these signings did happen.
     
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