Raise budget or reduce expectation!

Ahhhh ........... But since it's inception an annual rise of just £10.00 would now have us at that £199.00 figure. I doubt anyone would have felt any pinch.

 

Why do we have this fascination that a high budget instantly means success?

It’s usually a good strike rate if your budget is head and shoulders above the rest ala Wigan and Blackburn this season but it doesn’t guarentee it.

Far too many teams have spent big and got no where and still are now and are still in this league or in some case, Bury, now relegated. Why do we think it guarantees success?

Remember the budget under McCall in league 2. Best in league and we were crap. Mid table average side. And we got stuck with some of those players for 2 years.

If we spend 6-8k a week on some players they are going to want 2 or 3 year deals and we lose in the play offs or don’t go up, what then?

 

Bang on the money.

 

Please stop talking sense.

Great point and like Grayson said in his interview the top 6 probably have the biggest budgets in the league yet only 3 of the 6 will go up.

Got to be honest I'd rather we cut our cloth accordingly for a season or 2, improved season on season and got to a point where we are in a position for a push and then decided to increase the budget but not stupidly to put us in financial difficulty.

 

Completely agree but Rupp can only get involved when he's told whats going on, clever lad is Edin.

 

I just hope we appoint a manager who understands that and is willing to work with them and build a side. Hurst at Shrewsbury after they lose in play offs?

 

Almost a fair argument there.
Yet football is caught in this avalanche effect, whereby when PL players are demanding £200k+ per week, it spills down to £2k pw (minimum) in Lge 1. So yes, City lacked both quality and depth, last season, and justifiably finished mid table. So to improve on that, the budget has to balance with our wages payout. That has to at least break even, or be at a loss to City. Sorry - but even being optimistic - the rumoured £2.2m budget will NOT deliver success for next year. So YES, money counts, based on the lack of quality we have in house, and what is needed to add to that.

 

These comment are really confusing from Grayson :

"I am at a different stage of my managerial career to other people so it is certainly an attractive proposition, given the size of the club and what it can potentially do in the future.

"At Sunderland it wasn’t just about what I did wrong up there as Chris Coleman suffered as well.
"I don’t look at that as being a bit of a disaster. I do in terms of not lasting long up there but all the other clubs I’ve been at – Preston four and a half years, Leeds three, Blackpool three, I’ve had time and built clubs.

"The next club I go to I want to be there long term and achieve success and build a football club back up again.

Wouldn't the Bradford City job be just the club he's commented on ?.

 

That’s right good recruiting is key

 

We dogged one as his football is shi&e and he's yesterday's problem.

However, we still have shi&e owners who could will be a bullet to the heart of Bradford City Football Club if we don't get them out.

 

'You are not alone' ...........
The most confusing statement SG made.

 

It's not ridiculous.

Good managers take good job with good conditions.

They don't accept jobs at clubs where things are harder.

The parallel works right at the top with Pep and Fergy, and goes right to the foot of the football pyramid.

 

I agree with your main points, and I am happy for us to build sensibly - but that is Grayson's whole point!

Building sensibly requires patience and consistency, which the owners failed to show. They sacked Stuart at the first sigb of a bad run and undid the work on-field by hiring the polar opposite in terms of management styles.

No building has been done.

Grayson is quite clear, lower the expectations OR provide the funds that augment our chances of success.

You're in agreement with SG.

 

Yes definitely with regards to expectations. I think the owners made the mistake of giving fans a false expectation too soon and before they realised what a tough job it is to get out of this league. With regards to increasing the budget like Grayson wanted I totally disagree with him, we've been there before and got in trouble - I don't want to go back there.

 

I don't think anyone does think it guarantee's success, but it helps.

and the problem we have as a club now is that, even though there are no guarantee's you can't really expect to compete at the top of the table and for promotion but only deliver a mid table budget to try and achieve it. thats exactly what Rahic and Rupp are doing, and that's why Grayson has left. they have to realise that if they are expecting a promotion push they need to raise the budget, or be more willing to accept a mid table finish.
Grayson has gone because he'd be classed as failing in his job if he finished mid table, but the money been offered is making it incredibly difficult and relying on luck somewhat to better that.

 

What’s wrong with the play offs? 12 average teams going for 4 spots every season.

That doesn’t change. You don’t need to spend millions to be in the mix for that do you?

 

No, you don't, but if you provide a budget that';s say 12th in the table, you can't EXPECT a top 6 finish. we can hope for it, and aim for it, but you can't say the manager has failed and ultimately sack him if he fails to achieve it.

either be more willing to accept finishing outside top 6 (and lower fans expectations aswell) or provide more money.

 

As far as I am concerned this press release was yet another PR exercise to plump his own damaged cv. It is not only the contradictory nature of it, for me it’s a long note in ‘it wasn’t my fault’ best about that is most fans would have given him another shot. We all know we have problems with expectations of fans fuelled by R&R ambitions/aspirations and then tight sustainability. The two are incompatible, we know that, and I am absolutely sure he told them Edin. So why tell him again? My guess is they were not prepared to increase the budget knowing full well he would not take it! Given that he had not turned the team around like they wanted or even achieved good enough results. In other words his famous cv didn’t quite measure up. On reflection I think he is annoyed that they had the audacity to not hire him with all his conditions. Edin now needs to do some fancy footwork to see if he can get in a manager who is prepared to work hard, and try and achieve what we all want progress.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think we'll end up with a complete novice or someone who's absolutely desperate for a job - because anyone with experience in this league, or a track record will turn it down for the same reasons SG has.

they know what it takes, and don't want to be facing the sack for failing to achieve a top 6 spot on a mid table budget.