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Rahic in today's T and A

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Tolly856, May 17, 2018.

  1. Dennis

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    I don't understand what you mean by the better strategies at the clubs you've mentioned.

    I suggest you have a closer look at the financials of Championship clubs. The last time I looked (which related mainly to the 2015/16 season, 21 of the 24 clubs in the Championship made losses and had those losses financed by their owners.

    Of the ones you mention, Town were subsidised by their owner to the tune of nearly £50m over 5 seasons before they were promoted; Burnley were funded by the owners and a group of wealthy fans who weren't guaranteed to see the millions of their own money again until Burnley got back into the PL; Brighton were funded by over £100m by their owner and even little, well run, frugal Brentford was (and still is) subsidised by around £15m per season by Matt Benham in the years I looked at. He is also helping to fund their new stadium

    That's the reality of Championship football. Anybody who wants to play in their game needs to understand the rules!
     
  2. Ricc

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    That's all any of us on here want, it doesn't stop people like him, and Park and others hurling abuse at me because I happen to think the way the owners are trying to do things isn't the best way.
     
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  3. HUDDERSSBANTAM

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  4. Botswana Bantam

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    No let down. I hear the words they speak and read what's attributed to them and I draw conclusions starting at a fairly balanced view point

    The problem is you're starting from a negative viewpoint so whatever they suggest won't be enough to shift you to even a neutral viewpoint
     
  5. BenitoCarbone

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    I’m quite happy to go down the route of having a young head coach with a director of football but not if that director of football is Edin! We need a proper fully qualified one who really does know football.
     
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    Official - Bradford City have become a mere toy/hobby. Want we want is 4-4-2, a big man up front and two tricky wingers, ball in the box! A team full of grafters. What we are going to get is kids played off the park by men and mid table at best.
     
  7. cjunluck

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    These guys will be the death of us
     
  8. Rogered Tart

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    I’m not sure what part of the correlation between investment and football success people don’t understand. People keep mentioning these teams such as Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Barnsley, Burnley etc as teams that are well run small teams that have had success, yet they fail to mention these teams have all been bankrolled to some extent. Don’t they realise if success could be bought on the cheap that club owners would do it. Even our most successful period as a club in the late 90s was the result of a lot of money spent.
    I’m not advocating City doing it, we don’t have the means to do it. But lets not kid ourselves that you will go anywhere with major investment.
     
  9. RonnieBrown

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    Not only that - Within debate, it backs up his stance for the 'Bonus' system he is employing - why reward failure ? And we shouldn't blame him, as many of us have complained for years about the Banking 'fat cats' earning Divis for dropping the UK in the crap ! ;)
     
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  10. banbrotam

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    I think in fairness, they've taken more of a risk this season. And does this take into account income generated from transfers / value of squad etc

    My point is that when they were in L1, whilst they had a competitive budget they didn't stupidly push the boat out

    Interesting list though, nice find
     
  11. Seasideman

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    "Competitive first team"

    " attractive effective style of football"

    "We will have a competitive team, no doubt."

    "Excite our fans with the players we develop and the football we play. That's the aim."

    Direct quotes from Edin Rahić in the article in the T&A.
    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/16229672.Rahic_impressed_by_interest_in_Bantams_hot-seat/

    I have some optimism left at the moment and will be able to keep it if these quotes are lived up to. I, and I suspect a lot of other people, will be keeping a look out.
     
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  12. RonnieBrown

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    Hats off. ;)
     
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  13. banbrotam

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    Burnley and Huddersfield have hardly been bankrolled. Hoyle ran a very tight ship and then unleashed a few more funds for Wagner, but they were still something like the 20th highest in wage bill, when they went up

    Prior to their first promotion, Burnley were always known as the more cautious of the bunch flirting with promotion and I think at one time one of the few consistently in the black. I think they probably took a calculated gamble when they go relegated - but we could arguably follow their model, but need to bear in mind it took 15 years plus before they were genuine Premiership contenders
     
  14. cjunluck

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    It's going to take a relegation before he realises his 'plan' is nonsensical and doesn't work in the lower leagues. Shame really as after 5 years of steady progression, we're throwing it all away to try a model that we can all see isn't going to work. The longer you spend in these lower leagues the more that is what you become, we missed the best chance we had of getting out of here last year and becoming a steady championship team. Edin really is a stubborn anchor, anyone who has any faith in this man I just can't understand why. Such a shame really after the great ride we were on
     
  15. banbrotam

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    I don't disagree. Town fans were constantly moaning at Hoyle for not spending - not realising how much he subsidised.

    My point is he didn't give in and often fired back at them, i.e. he remained a sensible, 'boring' business man

    In fairness to our two, they have made more investments into non-playing things, we just don't see it as a relevant when it's not going into the playing staff.

    We have to face it. The infrastructure at our club was still very much L2 or lower L1 and in order to get that to even play-off level is a slog. But they have taken steps in the right direction

    But yes, we all know that even watching the purse strings still gives you debt in The Championship - that's precisely some of us weren't interested in giving 29 to 31 year old players nice contracts who would be no good at that level

    To me this all shows, even more so, that the only model for any club who's had five or more years in L1 or lower is either club revenue or making sellable assets

    Either way, it shows that the owners are more realistic than unambitous
     
  16. RonnieBrown

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    There is some fair weight behind your argument (point of view, ;) ). I mentioned some two years ago, that as the financial gulf between Lge 1 and the Championship is widening year on year ......... More and more Lge 1 clubs will take a 'gamble'. And they have, in truth. YET - Only three each season will see any reward. This type of spending has to reach it's limit for all clubs, before they are consumed and driven into submission by debt.
    As many a household will confirm ......... Spend too much, too often on high cost losing scratchcards, will result in a few due Bills not being paid. :)
     
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  17. cjunluck

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    There's gambling and then there's taking a risk when it's right to take. This was the year to have done that, if we'd have kept the play off squad together and added more recruits we could have been properly up there this year, hell if we'd have even strengthened properly in January we could have just about done it. But now we've missed the boat and lost all that momentum, it's going to take years before everything is in place to try again.
     
  18. bantam2708

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    I've never had a problem with edin's plan in terms of developing younger players. But this needs serious investment and cannot be done on the cheap, which is what we appear to be doing. The idea of signing mediocrity like Poleon, Reeves and McCarten for the odd 100k/200k and selling them for millions a year later is utter fantasy.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again but using Bradley Dack as an example of this - Rovers spent 750k on him and a good start to next season will see bids of 5m+ coming in. That is what the owners want to do, but like I said we're trying to do it on the cheap. If the owners want to keep developing young players for profit then I'm happy with that providing they invest serious money on genuinely talented young players and not just 25 year olds who've had a good 6 months.
     
  19. Silverbantam

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    Are you sure ?
     
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    Do we?
     

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