Maccabi Tel Aviv FC

The only people saying that it's because they can't guarantee the Maccabi fans safety is the zionists with their propaganda. The closest out gets to that is the mention of that is that the mention of possible reprisal attacks but that requires them to have done something first.

And your theory is pure bullshit. Every City has a Muslim population who they can agitate. Athens has just 6% of its population being Muslim if including the metropolitan area but just the City itself its under 3% of the Cities population. Yet trouble happened there. All the cities you have claimed would have been fine for the match to be held have larger Muslim populations than Athens

And again let's make something clear. Yes all the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are Jews but stop with false conflation of Jews and Zionism. Even in Isreal Maccabi's ultras are considered the worst, they are far far far right who subscribe to the extreme version of zionism. Even conflating them to Isreal is bad enough but to do so to the far right of an hateful ideology that more Christians subscribe to (despite the fact Zionist ideology believes Jews are the master race and all other people are inferior) than Jews do is both wrong and dangerous.

 

You are comparing Apples and Oranges. For starters Turkish fans are generally more of a problem at home than away. And Turkish ultras are more traditional hooligans while Maccabi are ideologically ones. Traditional hooligans are more tribal, it's about club vs club. They don't generally go on the hunt for non-fans to terrorise. Ideological hooligans don't care if you're a fan of the rival club, it's simply about their how they believe your believes align with theirs. For example there were a number assaults on train stations in Amsterdam, many on Women who weren't in Ajax colours and we waiting to take a train AWAY from the stadium rather than to the Stadium. We had a bit of that in some of the British Hooligan groups in the 70s to the early 90's where the gangs of Hooligans from the BNP and later the EDL who would hunt out non-whites but there is less of that these days. Probably the closest we have is the Old Firm ones where there's obviously built as much on religion than the clubs but even then it doesn't really spill over and they don't look to agitate and terrorise non-fans

 

What have other hateful ideologies got to do with this discussion? There is no doubting there are interpretations of Islam and also interpretations of Christianity that are hateful but they don't have states built around them and then those states have clubs playing in Europe.

They have an average of 22,000 for domestic home games but as both their home and away games are all played outside of Isreal fewer attend. It's between about 250-600. That's part of the problem though as I keep saying. It's basically only the ultras who attend the European matches and they actively go out to cause trouble. It's why it makes banning them an easy call, why spend all the money and use resources that could be used for other crimes, to ensure they aren't actively inflaming the situation when there are basically no proper fans who are going to attend?

First of all no-one has said there wasn't repisal attacks. I've said over and over again the big problem is they actively AGITATE the wider community.

I will add that the footage at around 0:46 IS THE MACCABI FANS attacking dutch citizens. Alot of outlets wrongly implied it was the Maccabi fans being attacked. Sky News even pulled a video package they put up when it was pointed out. If you are going to use footage as proof maybe check the source of the clips

I used 'far far far' because political spectrums are not the same in every country. If you were to take a worldwide political spectrum and place the centre point of countries then our centre would be on the left, the US would be on the right of ours but still on the left side where as Isreal would be on the right side as the Zionist ideology is distinctly right wing (Any ideology that subscribes to a master race theory is right wing) and despite all citizens no matter religion being allowed to vote their laws discriminate significantly against anyone who isn't Jewish for example nationality is based on religion so while Muslims and Christians can be citizens they can't be Israeli nationals and this impacts rights significantly, there have been attempts to change this but it gets struck down.

So through UK eyes just saying far right doesn't accurately represent where they really are. If you are considered to be far right in Isreal you are off the scale in the UK.

And you accuse me of ignoring facts what facts am I ignoring. You are the one who dismisses both the the stated reason for the ban so you can imply its antisemitism and ignoring the proof of their actions throughout Europe.

 

I am now locking this thread. It has started to focus on the individual poster's attributes rather than the merits or otherwise of the underlying issue. It is beginning to mirror some of the aspects of other threads which gave rise to the recent decision to curtail threads which contained political discussions.