Jake Young

They wont have a sell on, as he was released by FGR. They will again get the nominal fee percentage for having an U21 on a perm contract on their books. Similar to what we had to fork out to FGR (about 10-15K) when Young signed his deal here, similar story to us releasing Watt but getting our youth fee when he signed for Salford. Without hunting the rule down, it's about 5% of the deal fee gets split between whichever clubs had the player on a pro deal under the age of 21.

Coincidentally, it seems like Watt may well be moving in Jan with Preston and Ipswich linked, we would again get a small fee from that transfer, as would Wolves.

 

It was a transfer fee I believe?. It wasn't negotiated at a tribunal.
A transfer fee would be negotiated between the clubs? Like Watt & Odusina.

 

TWO clubs …and so yes.

If a manager tells a young , wet behind the ears , pro footballer, that he needs to up his game to stay in the side , JY decided his best option would be to “argue” with said manager .
Rather than pull his socks up he decided to sulk if reports are true. I won’t repeat them for brevity.

NOTICE how only three clubs “ came in for him” when he was given the opportunity, two of which were below L2. That says an awful lot to me. Credit to Swindon they took a punt when it seems everyone else washed their hands of him?

Any manager worth his salt would move him on , as one bad apple and all that.

I don’t recall any dissenting voices on here saying he shouldn’t be shifted on to get game time and his head in gear. It worked EVENTUALLY , win win for all concerned.

So yes …in spades, he’s responsible for fuelling the issue .

Any responsible manager in any industry would do exactly the same, I have done it myself.

 

No I’m not holding anything against him IF he returns and plays his part . See my other reply as to reasoning . Hope that clarifies. He was a kid at the time and reacted badly if the reports are true.

 

More of a compensation fee . Tribunals cost money , so it’s better and cheaper to agree between themselves.

 

Young was definitely released, wasn't even offered new terms just straight up released -> Retained list confirmed | WE ARE FGR

But as with all U21s, if they are released and sign for another club, there has to be a youth compensation fee involved. Although 9 times out of 10 they are straight forward for all involved, some go to tribunal to negotiate a fee if the former club feels like they should be owed more. Looking at past ones, it's usually just when an U21 signs on a free for a team further up the pyramid that big money is involved at a tribunal, lower division to division you are talking a few thousand on the ones made public. Like when Danny Ings left Bournemouth in L2 on a free to sign for Burnley in the Champ, Bournemouth felt like they were owed a fee after his development and through a tribunal they ended up with £1m. Ings did the same thing leaving Burnley on a free to sign for Liverpool and eventually after a tribunal, Liverpool had to pay £6.5m to Burnley and Bournemouth got a cut too.

It took a while but to avoid scenarios like that appearing too often, 2 or 3 years back the rules changed around U21s moving on for free to larger clubs and leaving the old parent club that took the time to coach and bring to standard the young player moneyless. So now, the old clubs get a cut of the cash on all future moves so they get some potential revenue for their work over the next 10/15 years potentially. But that first move the free agent player makes, even though they were released, will be written as "undisclosed fee" as the new club have to fork over the youth compensation cover to his former club. It means they aren't entitled to things like sell-ons or bonuses on apps/goals that kind of thing, but for the rest of their career his youth club that had him on a pro deal will get some cash.

Young for example has 2 clubs on his U21 pro contract slate. So if all goes as standard without tribunals etc, for the rest of his career us and FGR will split 5% of his transfer fees for the rest of his career. Same with Watt, us and Wolves will split 5%.

 

In hindsight it always looks worse, especially with the season Young has had. But nobody was really questioning Hughes opinion of Young when we heading for the playoffs last season. And as you say, there was no queue of salivating managers knocking on the doors at VP, ready to pounce on this apparent faux Pas by Hughes.
As Young has alluded to interview, he's taken the best course of action and used the negative situation as a positive to knuckle down and show what he could do. I was glad we got rid of Hughes in the end but not because of the Young situation, I thought he did what he thought was right for the club.
The trick for Young is to capitalise while the going is good, you never no he might just be another one hit wonder.

 

His family member I used to work with did say that the Barrow loan really humbled Jake when I spoke to them over the summer at a work do. I think Young said something similar in his Sky Sports interview earlier this season? Could well be imagining that but I'm sure there was some quote about growing or along those lines.

His interviews this season compared to the videos he was taking in Spain last summer do seem to be a boy to man change in presentation. I mean, he is only 22 but he talks very professionally this season, think last seasons flop may well have forced him to sharpen up a bit?

 

So a transfer fee then.

 

There's only a fee if FGR offered him a contract at least similar in money to the one he was on.
He can't have been released and offered a new contract. It's either/or.

 

Transfer fee yes, compensation fee no. Two completely different things.

 

Onside or the money from him.....

 

There is no hope. Don’t get like Fordy.

 

Absolutely spot on. That’s a perfect reason to do what the club did. It seems , reading between the lines, that’s what Young thinks too. Like I said a wet behind the ears 21 year old.

 

As with @Bigrod comments, 100% RT. Like I said , in any industry. I used to train engineering apprentices, admittedly 19-21 year olds , but they needed the hard word occasionally ,as I once did! . Commonly known as a kick up the backside .

 

Good info as ever, Jordan.

didn’t know it was such a messy process, passing money all down the chain like this!

 

It's muddy as hell, as the EFL link it back to FIFA guidelines as well as their own but Homepage - The English Football League (efl.com) and section 52.2.9 but just searching the word "compensation" on that site will bring up a load of results. Might need to trim it down for a proper search, but pretty much every clause around transfers lists Transfer fees and Compensation fees separately, so I'm guessing its an EFL thing to distinguish the two?

Anyway, that section talks through the scenario when the registration of a player is transferred whether during the period of his contract or after the expiry of his contract the details around whether a Club shall pay 5% of the Transfer Fee or Compensation Fee as applicable. But the guidance on compensation says it linked to a FIFA ruling, which it's technical term is 'Training Compensation'.

Guidance - Compensation Fees - Clubs are advised that any element of the fee which relates to Training Compensation which would otherwise have been payable under Article 20 of the FIFA Regulations must be clearly identified in any financial agreements, otherwise Clubs will be liable to 5% Levy on the whole amount.

Fifa's page is even more ridiculously over-complicated, but...

Training Compensation
RSTP art. 20 and annexe 4 regulates training compensation. In short, training compensation is paid by the new club to the clubs that trained the player between the ages 12 and 21. The obligation to pay training compensation occurs if one of the following two conditions are met:

1) When a player signs his first contract as a professional, and
2) Each time a professional is transferred internationally until the end of the season of his 23rd birthday

I got confused in reading it, assuming the fee helped clubs throughout his career, but it is just on transfers until the end of the players season of hi 23rd birthday. I swear they write these things to just confuse fans