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Denying an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (DOGSO)

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by 1976Bantam, Feb 15, 2025.

  1. Bumblebee_Tuna

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    Agree that VAR is being used incorrectly but actually they aren't even making calls. They are just going with the onfield ref unless it's glaringly obvious that a mistake has been made. That needs to be addressed.
     
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  2. andyc

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    There are quite a few things that need addressing for the good of the game.
    I am definitely not holding my breath though
     
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  3. Kevin1954

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    I don’t think that’s the answer Andy tbf. But yes full time for sure. Some seem to think it’s one official we are talking about here, rather the opposite, it’s ALL poor officiating , irrespective of the man / woman or teams playing.
     
  4. NorthernMonkey

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    It depends to be fair. If it's the same people that told me Niall Byrne was a good footballer because he got promoted with Stockport then I'd probably ignore them!
     
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  5. Bumblebee_Tuna

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    Fair.
     
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  6. Offcomedun

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    Excellent post. As supporters we all watch the game wearing our team coloured glasses. If (eg) Shephard gets pinged for a nudge in the back I’m shouting ‘FFS ref, let the game flow; it’s a contact sport; he went down like he’d been shot’. But If Cooky or Kav are similarly nudged I’m shouting ‘are you blind ref? That was a blatant push in the back’.
    It seems to me that the difficulty with the DOGO law is the word ‘obvious’. Like most decisions this is massively subjective. But it’s additionally problematic because what is an ‘obvious’ goalscoring opportunity for Mo Salah or Erling Haaland may be very far from obvious for your average L2 journeyman striker. We all know that 95 times in 100 Salah or Haaland would have controlled that pass on Saturday in an instant, and either taken it round the keeper or slotted/lashed it past him without thinking. But we’ve all see such situations butchered by L2 forwards, whether through miscontrol, dithering or poor finishing, many times. So what is ‘obvious’ in one league may be far from it in another.
    Given that this was a L2 game, the distance from the goal when the collision occurred (I’m not convinced it was a deliberate foul; more a coming together) and the fact that the striker didn’t have the ball under control, I still think the red was harsh. But I agree that I can’t say the ref ‘got it wrong’, merely that I disagree with the decision.
     
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  7. Onside

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    In my view the best referee’s are the ones I don’t notice. The game is allowed to flow as it should. Nonsense free kick for minimal or no contact. Decisions that affect players and the whole game are the order of the day now. Changing the rule’s without any feedback to the fans on why things have to change.

    Football is entertainment and I don’t go to watch the referee’s strut their stuff. If they are being asked to make too many calculations and end up going with instinct then the rules are clearly wrong. There is no point in having rules if that is the case.
     
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  8. 1976Bantam

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    Yes time to move on but to be ultra clear on the laws, he does not have to be in control of the ball. He just needs to be likely to be able to control it - which he clearly would have been per my previous comments given ball not far in front of him and on the ground.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on distance. 35 yards from goal and pretty central is absolutely ticking the box on distance to goal (where no defenders can clearly cover).
     
  9. Bumblebee_Tuna

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    Before you move on, what was your view on the Crewe v Wimbledon red card. Curious to hear your take.
     
  10. Kevin1954

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    The best one I have seen for a while . The one who reffed Donny V Palace last week

    Farrai Hallam . Excellent !

    https://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/careers/insider-perspectives/senior-referee-officer
     
  11. TallinnBantam

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    32 pages in, and we’re still arguing if the red was a red. Ref gave it. That’s what it was. These things happen. Time to move on.
     
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    Guilty as charged, but I did post I thought it was an excellent all round performance especially against another form team and down to 10 men, not much more to add ;)
     
  13. 1976Bantam

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    I don’t believe it was a red, think you could sell a yellow. I really struggle with how the ref has decided that fits all aspects of DOGSO.

    I think it’s rare for this sort of incident (from a cross where players are going for a header) to be deemed a red, in particular given it’s a cross a bit above head height where there are so many variables.

    I think the ‘in control or likely to gain control’ aspect of the laws is very difficult to validate in an instance like this one, even if the Wimbledon player looked favourite to get the header in.
     
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    There was one very very similar in the Leeds game tonight. A Leeds player about to break free to a perhaps 40 yds from goal from memory…..Body checked and taken out….(Un) Surprisingly the Prem ref gave a yellow and a free kick.
     
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    Was the Leeds player goal side like the Newport striker, Kev?
     
  16. Kevin1954

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    Breaking through at speed as I saw it , no defender could have intervened as they were level with the person committing the block yes. I think it was in the 92nd min. A comparable observation that adds to the process but proves nothing Jon.
     
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  17. Bumblebee_Tuna

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    It was in the centre circle with about 2 defenders covering and running towards the side of the pitch. Apart from that it was identical.
     
  18. 1976Bantam

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    Not seen it (I don’t tend to watch Leeds games!) but it isn’t in any extended highlights, not mentioned as potential red in any of the main ‘minute by minute’ commentaries in media outlets and Hackett, who seems to love piling in on what he deems ref mistakes, only commented on an attempted headbutt as the potential red card in the game.

    Anecdotal I grant you, but this is suggesting no one is seeing that as a potential red card, rather than the yellow it got.
     
  19. Kevin1954

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    Exactly.
     
  20. Kevin1954

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    Covering alongside from memory facing the opposite direction to the runner (at speed) , so slightly worse situation from a defensive perspective than Saturday. Yes about 40-45 yards from goal. It must be cited as coming under the “ distance from goal “ category. About 5 yards different perhaps?
     

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