Aden Baldwin unsuccessful appeal

Oh well, he can go have his nose reset now then.

Will be a big loss though. Best defender on our books right now.

 

He dominated that Ballard, exactly how we should have played him at their place instead of giving all the pitch. Made him look garbage.

 

At least they didn't seem it a frivolous appeal and extend it beyond 3 games.

 

I'm surprised they didn't to be fair. Although I didn't agree with the red there wasn't a hope in hell that the FA would overturn it.

 

That's basically non-existent these days. It's only reserved for teams that use an appeal make a player available to play but with the fast track system in place that is impossible as all appeals can now be heard the day after an appeal is lodged. Because of this now teams have nothing to lose in appealing other than a bit of time and the cost of an appeal. The only way to get an extra game would be if you delayed an appeal until Tuesday when you play due to play on the same day.

The last one I can think of was Rio Ferdinand in 2010.

With so many non-league games being recorded on Veo cameras there are more appeals now than ever before as teams can put forward evidence so basically the FA have a panel ready every Monday as it is certain there will be appeals.

 

The trouble is, it needs to be a clear and obvious error to be overturned; with how the game is nowadays, that sort of challenge will never be seen as an error. I don't think it was a red for a few reasons, but nor do I think it's the worst decision ever, heck, it was nowhere near the worst decision in the game! The challenge on Bobby was worse and more cynical; I'd rather the game looked at these sorts of challenges going forward, as it was a dangerous tackle and the guy made no attempt for the ball.

That ref was awful, but to stick up for him on this one, the game is not black and white like rugby or cricket and other sports, it's just so hard to have a one-size-fits-all rule for every type of tackle.

 

Good post but I'm not sure about rugby (union) being black and white. I played when younger and have watched it all my life and I still haven't got a clue over half the decisions the ref sees

 

Ahar I agree....in a minute if you blow /breathe on a rugby player it will be a sin bin......hate the game

 

The challenge on Pointon are the type I hate as they could end up in an injury if the player lands wrong. I do think one of the next major changes to football should be that cynical challenge like that and where players drag players down on a counter attack they are given a yellow card sin bin and have to go off for 10 minutes then it discourages it more.

 

The challenge on Pointon was very poor imo and I think most ex professionals, if they were refereeing, would spot how dangerous it was and issue a red card. It was certainly a more reckless and cynical tackle than Baldwins.

 

Difference was he was much lower and he wasn't out of control, in the laws that is deemed more dangerous. If he was sent off for that challenge I'd be confident he would have the ban overturned. The worst challenge Pointon was the one against Wigan which should have been a straight red card.
If he gets sent off for that then we should have had one earlier this season, I can't remember who is was or who it was against but it was just on the halfway line in front of the dugouts and they just slid in, took out the opponent and was met with a lot of applause including by Alexander.

 

Sorry but I can't agree with that. You ask anyone who's played the game how high the potential for serious injury is with a tackle like that.

 

Bobby has been getting some stick, cut foot, bad tackles. it just shows how good Sarc is,, he seems to glide through the thugs...

 

The problem that brings and I’m not saying your part proposal is wrong but 10 bookings on Sat could have seen a five a side game taking place at various points Is it the case where you are promoting different types of yellow card punishments ? “ Like that” but not “ like that” . That’s a recipe for disaster . More rules open for interpretation ?

 

I’d like to see the still someone put out of the challenge on Bobby, but I can’t find it now. From that I’d be shocked if any red would have been overturned as it wouldn’t justify a clear error.

 

I thought the foul on Bobby was similar to the one that the Wrexham lad committed on Saturday that got upgraded to a red by VAR. Attacker was well away and cynically, deliberately and dangerously taken out. That's pretty much how I saw the foul on Bobby. Not necessarily a stonewall red but could very easily have been.

 

If you're giving sin bins for it then teams will have to start letting more attacks go and trusting the defence to deal with it. It would be basically be a similar type of law to what we have with DOGSO in the area (although I do think that has gone too far with allowing basically and challenge with the foot to be deemed only a yellow card). If you stop a promising attack in a cynical way it's a sin bin. Ultimately other than ball in or out or a player being in an offside position everything else in football is subjective so really any changes will be subjective.

 

I've not seen a replay of it so I'm going on what I saw live, I thought the boot was low and it was more of a trip but I could be wrong like the challenge on Pointon against Wigan I thought was a yellow live but seeing the replay it was much worse than I thought at the time.

 

Take a look at this video, 'bradford city v leyton orient extended highlights'
https://share.google/tYRkomF1zeDvERmrc
Watch around 3.20. It certainly wasn’t a trip. It was a sliding, studs up, deliberately cynical assault from behind into the back of Bobby’s ankle. No attempt or intent to play the ball. The sort of tackle that could easily damage an Achilles tendon.
Far more dangerous than Baldwin’s collision with O’Neill. Not only was Koroma lucky to have not been given a second yellow for his body check on Tilt, he probably deserved a straight red for the foul on Bobby.