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10-match segments 2025/6

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by River_City_Bantam, Sep 27, 2025.

  1. Klaatu

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    If he wants to realise a buyout or investment, going up is his opportunity. Yes, most clubs in the champ are losing big but they survive somehow.


    In the 2023–24 EFL Championship season, all clubs operated at a loss, continuing a trend from previous years. Here's a breakdown of the financial picture:

    Overall Losses

    • Operating losses: £411 million
      • This marked a 25% increase compared to the previous season.
    • Pre-tax losses: £318 million
    • Relatively stable compared to £313 million in 2023/24.
    Key Cost Drivers

    • Player amortisation: £271 million
    • Finance costs: £77 million
    • Other operational costs: Significantly higher due to club mix and spending.
    Offsetting Factors

    • Transfer profits: £419 million
      • Helped mitigate some of the financial strain.
    • Broadcast revenue: £446 million
    • Matchday revenue: £210 million
    • Commercial revenue: £303 million (up 52% from the previous year).
    Despite strong revenues—nearly £1 billion—the Championship remains financially volatile, with clubs often overspending in pursuit of promotion.

    https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/consulting/research/annual-review-of-football-finance-football-league-clubs.html
     
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  2. Jordan

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    More thinking in terms of our playing squad to be fair. Operating at a loss is a given really, but this team would need a quality face lift at the next level. Lots of guys who are 30+ and never played at that level or haven't for a while in our squad these days.

    Outside of Neufville and Pointon, there would be question marks over pretty much everyone else on the books i'd say as to if they can handle a step up?
     
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  3. Klaatu

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    Here's a table sorted by age for your perusal.

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  4. Jordan

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    Yeah, doesn't read "championship" for a lot of those names and ages. Squad players maybe for a few, but Sharpe has assembled a good squad before, I'd back him to try it the next level up too.
     
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  5. Dennis

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    All Championship clubs only survive financially because of their owners. They have been able and willing to invest their money to firstly improve the squad and then subsidise the club in every subsequent season. The subsidy enables the club to cover its operating loss. For most established clubs, it's upwards of £10mill per season. A couple of clubs usually try to survive on the cheap by which I mean only losing £3-4mill for the season. Those clubs tend not to survive long in the Championship and soon return to League 1. In our case, the benefactor would have to be either Rupp if he doesn't sell or a new owner if the club were to be sold.

    It's a matter of facing up to reality. Championship clubs need wealthy owners who are willing to dig deep into their own pockets to survive.
     
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  6. Brent

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    My worry is we'll lose players in January and it will derail the season. The clubs with bigger budgets will be sniffing around our squad if we keep this up. Even if we don't want to sell, we may be forced if release clauses are met.

    We have to pray there are huge release clauses for players like Pointon and Neufville.
     
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  7. Jordan

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    Probably depends on the player. Those two for now are the only ones i'd say who'd get some CH interest this winter. But i cant imagine a CH clubs willing to spend a 7 figure fee on a 21/22 year old Pointon and expecting him to be a difference maker this season, which more often than not is the reason you'd buy in Jan, to get guys who can help out that season. Cov bought a Peterborough winger for a few million last Jan or the one before and loaned him back to them for the rest of the season because they wanted him to play every week and then integrate him in the summer, rather than get the odd minutes with them for that season. Wouldn't at all be surprised to see a club this Jan try do something similar if he has a good release clause and that have cash in Jan.

    Neufville is a different story though, he's not going to be sent back out for experience at 24/25 after he's been an EFL first teamer for 4 or 5 seasons now.
     
  8. Brent

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    Yeh, I agree on what you said re Pointon. I could definitely see a buy/loan back happening and Pointon would obviously have some say in it too. He has to agree to a deal.

    I could see Neufville getting poached by another L1 club. A wingback with that pace + skill is a rare commodity in L1.

    Swan could also generate interest if he keeps up the form. He's running at 1.11 goal involvement (goals or assists) per 90 mins so far this season. He's still 'young' too.
     
  9. Jordan

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    I reckon teams will wait on Swan to see if it's a purple patch or he's actually found his footing in the game now. He's had goal scoring spells before but they've faded and when he fade it looks like he faded way out when he was younger.

    I dunno on Neufville and other L1 teams, just because everyone had their shot in the summer with him. If we are still around the top come Jan, it would be pretty daft to move onto a table rival and the teams that can through money at him, could have thrown money at him months before and didn't. Unless a Luton or something offer us a 7 figure fee and he wants to move back to his hometown club and has a big wage increase, i cant see many other L1 slots looking that tempting. For me he only moves on if its the champ.
     
  10. Kevin1954

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    Poached by who in L1? You are talking silly , he’s on a three year contract.
     
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  11. Brent

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    "Silly" is a bit mean.

    Cardiff, Luton, Dog Botherers, Stockport, Plymouth + others all have the means to pay 7 figures for players.

    The contract length isn't relevant. If he has a release clause and an offer comes in above the threshold, then we can't do anything.
     
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  12. JonButterfield

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    Yeah can't see any interest in Neufville for 7 figures tbh.

    His goalscoring record across his career is nowhere near good enough for that sort of fee.

    If he's bagged us 10 goals by January or something I could see someone offering a tempter, maybe around £400-500k tops. I'm not even sure I can see him having a minimum fee release clause - could see Bobby having one, though.
     
  13. Kevin1954

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    If they “ buy” players that’s not normally classed as poaching it’s called a transfer deal . Offering better deals at the end of a contract to go to another club is “ freedom of contract” , but could be loosely called “poaching” , exactly how we got him in the first place

    Where has it ever been said he has a release clause? He may have but suggesting so is pure guesswork…

    I don’t intend to be mean , rather realistic .., apologies for any offence .
     
  14. River_City_Bantam

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    Now is the winter of our discontent... Well, I hope not. But with yesterday's loss turning what could have been a good segment into a middling one, we can be at least mildly peeved.

    1st 10: 7-2-1, 18-11, 23
    2nd 10: 3-5-2, 11-9, 14

    Home: 7-2-1, 17-9, 23
    Away: 3-5-2, 12-11, 14
    Total: 10-7-3, 29-20, 37

    Leading at HT: 5-1-0, 13-6, 16
    Drawing at HT: 4-5-1, 10-6, 17
    Trailing at HT: 1-1-2, 6-8, 4

    Leading at any point: 10-3-1
    Trailing at any point: 2-1-3
    (0-0: 3)

    Both led and trailed in same match: Stockport (A), Wimbledon (H), L. Orient (A)
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    I suppose this second segment is more like what I was expecting for the season: mid-tableishness. Thanks to the first segment, however, we remain in an excellent position overall. The defence, for all our concerns about individual players, is doing its job; the attack needs improvement. (That seems to have been a constant over the past few seasons.) That said, we are getting more goals from midfield and even a few from defenders.

    No surprise though that after that enthusiastic start, some old weaknesses in players and approaches have come to the fore again. We'll see what we get in the January window, but I wouldn't expect major upgrades before the summer. I'll be happy if the club proves me wrong in that expectation.

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  15. River_City_Bantam

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    A very middling segment.

    1st 10: 7-2-1, 18-11, 23
    2nd 10: 3-5-2, 11-9, 14
    3rd 10: 5-0-5, 10-13, 15

    Home: 11-2-2, 24-12, 35
    Away: 4-5-6, 15-21, 17
    Total: 15-7-8, 39-33, 52

    Leading at HT: 8-1-0, 17-7, 22
    Drawing at HT: 6-5-1, 12-6, 23
    Trailing at HT: 1-1-7, 8-19, 4

    Leading at any point: 15-3-1
    Trailing at any point: 2-1-8
    (0-0: 3)

    Both led and trailed in same match: Stockport (A), Wimbledon (H), L. Orient (A)
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    Our strong start is still working in our favour, but these last two segments show how much tougher it gets when -- amongst other things -- you go from scoring almost 2 goals per match to just 1. Maybe today will be the start of a recovery in this area; at least we were creating chances. (But it did seem to be a rather bold move to start the match with no recognised/established goal-scoring forward in the line-up....)

    We remain good at home, and with a lead; we remain poor when trailing -- no change there.

    With 52 points, it's safe to say we'll at least be in this division again next season. A side did get relegated with 54, and a few others with 53 and 52, but those were decades ago, in the 80s and 90s.

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  16. River_City_Bantam

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    A third upper-mid-table segment in a row, but that brilliant first segment keeps us well in the playoff hunt.

    1st 10: 7-2-1, 18-11, 23
    2nd 10: 3-5-2, 11-9, 14
    3rd 10: 5-0-5, 10-13, 15
    4th 10: 5-1-4, 11-11, 16

    Home: 15-3-2, 30-14, 48
    Away: 5-5-10, 20-30, 20
    Total: 20-8-12, 50-44, 68

    Leading at HT: 11-1-0, 23-8, 34
    Drawing at HT: 8-5-2, 16-9, 29
    Trailing at HT: 1-2-10, 11-27, 5

    Leading at any point: 20-3-2
    Trailing at any point: 2-2-12
    (0-0: 3)

    Both led and trailed in same match: Stockport (A), Wimbledon (H), L. Orient (A), Reading (A)

    1st 10 matches home: 7-2-1, 17-9, 23
    2nd 10 matches home: 8-1-1, 13-5, 25

    1st 10 matches away: 3-5-2, 12-11, 14
    2nd 10 matches away: 2-0-8, 8-19, 6

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    A Jekyll & Hyde team if ever there was one. Champions-level results at home (2.4 points per match), relegation-threatened results away (1 point per match). Champions-level results when leading at the half and at any point in a match, relegation-level results when trailing at the half and at any point in a match. Champions-level results in the first segment, comfortable upper-mid-table results in the next three segments.

    That second 10-match sequence away (Mansfield onwards) has made things so dicey: both offence and defence failed. (At home, the offence declined but the defence got even better, and so the segment was even better than the first.)

    69 points has been the lowest points total for a Div. 3 playoff team since 3 points for a win began. But it's only happened twice; mid-70s will usually get the job done.

    We are a good side, but not an auto-promotion side. To get there, keeper, defence, and midfield need tweaking, but offence needs wholesale improvement, whether by way of tactics, or players. Still, we've done far better than I expected.

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  17. vin weasel

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    Only Lincoln and Cardiff have won more games than us.
    A fantastic season so far.
     
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  18. River_City_Bantam

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    I was expecting a mid-tableish season of consolidation; I'm very happy the club has torn my expectations to little bits and jumped up and down on them (until they could think up something worse to do to them....) I suppose winning the playoffs would qualify!

    1st 10: 7-2-1, 18-11, 23
    2nd 10: 3-5-2, 11-9, 14
    3rd 10: 5-0-5, 10-13, 15
    4th 10: 5-1-4, 11-11, 16
    last 6: 2-3-1, 8-7, 9

    Home: 15-5-3, 32-17, 50
    Away: 7-6-10, 26-34, 27
    Total: 22-11-13, 58-51, 77

    Leading at HT: 12-1-0, 25-9, 37
    Drawing at HT: 8-7-3, 19-13, 31
    Trailing at HT: 2-3-10, 14-29, 9

    Leading at any point: 22-4-2
    Trailing at any point: 3-5-13
    (0-0: 3)

    Both led and trailed in same match: Stockport (A), Wimbledon (H), L. Orient (A), Reading (A), Wycombe (A), Barnsley (A)
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    Another excellent home season, and now the away line looks much more respectable too. Can't grumble too much about the defence, but it would really be a lot better for all our nerves if we could just score some more. Whatever division we end up in, that has to be addressed.

    By my reckoning, some nice round numbers have come up: that was our 1800th win in the League, and we've now scored 6800 League goals. A ways to go yet before we get to having more wins and goals_for than losses and goals_against, but at current levels of performance that might just be only a few seasons away. We also had an average attendance over 20,000, the first time we've done that since the 1920s.

    On to the playoffs!

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  19. Kevin1954

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    Superb work RCB ….Well done and a labour of love I bet?
     
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  20. River_City_Bantam

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    Ta. It is, and it's nice to be able to throw out some facts when needed. I was keeping track of City stats already years before Frost's book came out, and ever since, using Frost as a base, I've been keeping things updated and adding a few bits and bobs of my own. After all, I can't spend all my time annoying the neighbours with my punk rock electric guitar!

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