Great news that we have had a young goal keeper called up to the Engalnd U16 training camp, I hope along with the lads who turned pro this season it's a sign of what's to come in the future.
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Let's not kid ourselves, Staunton, French et al have only been given a chance this season because of the effects of covid.
It certainly wasn't because of any long term planning to integrate these lads into the first team squad. -
Personally I don't feel there is really any worth in clubs at this level spending money on a proper academy. It makes more sense doing what a couple of clubs have done and that's scrap the 16 to 23 setup completely as its almost impossible to recoup that money as at 16 you are left largely with those that aren't good enough to go elsewhere.
Instead what some clubs are doing is using that money to setup a B team. This B team doesn't waste time trying to develop their own 16 year olds. They look to pick up young players released from bigger teams in England and even often from abroad, who have had a few years getting a high level of coaching but have been released and then found their options limited. They are fairly cheap because they aren't the ones who have teams squabbling over them, often they will pick them up after the season has started when they have failed to get a club.
This B team then plays friendlies, if Man Utd u23's need a pickup game they will get a call and a payment and they even get games against first teams when they want an easy behind closed door warm up match. And its not just English teams, the likes of Brentford who operate this way have even played foreign first teams, for example I believe Slavia Prague a couple of seasons back used them as a warm up game before two Europa League matches.
Some of them when the squads are big enough even enter the B team in one of the lower leagues where player registration rules are less strict. That way they can play both a league game and a behind closed door friendly at the same time and players may play the league match one week and the friendly the next giving them a rounded experience.
And again going back to Brentford they have also done deals with teams in the catchment area like spurs. They will sell Brentford players they aren't sure about just for a sell on fee. If they end up being good enough for their original club they can buy him back at a discount and if not and he gets sold elsewhere the original club also gets a chunk of change. They also have some deals with foreign clubs along the same lines.
And even if they don't come good enough to move on up from the B side to the A side they will often still be able to sell them on and make a profit on a player they got for 'free' (And with all the paid friendlies even if they then leave for free the clubs usually made enough to cover the cost anway)Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...trevor, Bronco, Andy10 and 1 other person like this. -
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I just don't believe credit was due for the implementation of it when all things considered, it was simply forced onto the club.Faithful Bantam, loz and WilsdenBantam like this. -
Started this thread, so that people can express their views. There was a danger that this subject would take over another one. So here is your opportunity.
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Clubs waste all this money developing players and most who could actually be of real value to a club are snatched for about £30k in compensation by bigger clubs before they sign senior papers.
As for not expensive. Based on the amount the PL gives to fund academies in the EFL I'm not sure you can say its insignificant. Clubs get between £775k and £100k a year from the PL based on the level and that accounts for between 1/3rd and 2/3rds of the average running cost. That means the average cat 1 is costing £2.3mill a year and a Cat 4 £150k a year.Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Bronco and Interested Bystander like this. -
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"Academy funding
The final set of changes concerns funding. Under EPPP, the total funding provided by the Premier League for youth development will increase although it will be paid in a different way. Instead of a lump sum distributed by the Football League, the Premier League will pay a proportion of core funding for each academy, according to its level. This will range from £775,000 per year (one-third of the cost of a Category One academy) down to an £100,000 for a Category Four academy (two-thirds of the running costs). These subsidies will increase gradually over the four year life of this EPPP agreement. "Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...Dennis likes this. -
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I think the confusion came from a decision to downgrade the status of their academy for the younger age groups (U 14s and below from memory) from Cat 2 to Cat 4, the lowest level, a couple of years ago. Even then, that part of the academy is still functioning although at the lower level.ConnecticutBantam likes this. -
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The £1mill+ I referred to was in an article on how Colchester gained Cat 2 status after it having been rejected originally. As I said, it covers development, coaching and scouting of younger players and not just scouting as you posted.
Edit - Here's a piece from the BBC about the rejected application and Colchester's philosophy. It should interest you ...
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Cat 3's are not overly expensive to run and the costs do start to escalate once Cat 2 has been granted and there might well be other approaches. But the clubs know more about what they want from their Academy and the vast majority of the lower leagues have decided to put their money into continuing with their own way of developing players of the future. -
Your estimates of how much it costs to run Academies isn't far off. Typical annual costs of a Cat 3 Academy in the EFL is in the range £200-300K. Cat 1 Academies cost significantly more. The minimum anticipated cost of running a Cat 1 is £2.5m per the EPPP guidelines and the costs escalate from there to 2 or 3 times that level. But of course the vast majority of Cat 1 Academies are in the PL (or recently relegated PL clubs) where the costs of a Cat 1 are dwarfed by some players' salaries! There aren't too many clubs in the khazi with those kinds of funds for their entire first squad let alone a Cat 1 Academy!
Where did you get the figures for how much the PL pays EFL clubs to run their academies? They don't tally with anything I've ever seen. -
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