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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Bronco, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Bronco

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    Who would have thought this guy could actually sit down and speak to the leader of North Korea and hopfully get a deal from them with regards there nuclear weapons.
    Next on the agenda could be Russia and Putin, should he be given credit for sitting down and speaking to the likes of Kim Jong-un and Putin ?.
     
  2. Nottsy

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    He’s a c*nt.
     
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  3. Stafford Bantam

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    Anyone sensible who's had to deal with a village idiot knows its impossible.

    Sometimes the best approach is to roll out your own village idiot.
     
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    Personally thought he was going to make a monumental feck up like he did with the G7, and end up destroying the NK-SK agreement from last month, so kudos to him on not acting like a child on this occasion.

    Kim's done well, got himself onto the top table without giving up any more than he'd already agreed to, while the US is halting war games with SK and potentially withdrawing troops.

    I can't stand Trump in the slightest, but he's ensured progress can be made here by halting the war games so deserves some credit, but there's still a long way to go.

    More progress will likely be made at the next SK-NK summit, with the following US-NK summit just doing the same as today in shoring up that footing
     
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    It will only take tiniest little faux pas on behalf of NK and Trump will renege.. so whilst it's a welcome development, the man is psychotic and anything can and most probably will happen.
     
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  6. trevor

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    He is a man who faces and deals with things as he sees them, Unlike most politicians and his predecessors and pundits who just talk forever and do nothing,
    He is a decent man who deserves credit for what he has achieved in the USA and the world, The stupid and blinkered who are wedded to anti Trump camp will never agree and always vilify him never giving him credit for any of his achievements but he is well on course to be Americas best president (Not hard with the previous liars cheats and media sluts), He knows human nature and uses it to achieve his goals both in business and now in politics.
     
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    ...whilst feeling up a few ladies on the way.
    Nice man.. best president ever.

    ;)
     
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  8. Bronco

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    That was my point several of the previous Presidents used sanctions to try and change the regime it would never work as China and Russia supplied things.
    There is no doubt plenty of talking still to do but its far better than war games from both sides.
     
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  9. trevor

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    Yes dreadful, no man has done that before,
    Perhaps he should just have committed Adultery in office ( Clinton ) or killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians (Obama) or declared war on Iraq ( Bush ) like his predecessors many are blinkered about
     
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    He didn't do those things coz he's the bestest prez eva.. Fact!
     
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    Hence why Bolton didn't travel. He already made one!
     
  12. Tony Wilkinson

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    You looking in the mirror again............
    Wish he was our prime minister and City's 'head coach'.....win,win
     
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    Americas economy is booming, he is putting his citizens first and foremost and he has done what no previous leader has done with North Korea. We all strive for peace so why is there a hidden agenda? Trump has his flaws, don't we all but if anything it humanises him from the robotic politicians we see around the world.

    If the lefties and liberals protest against his visit to the UK it is an absolute disgrace. Reading some of the comments on Twitter and in the left wing media I have come to the conclusion that 'some', not 'all' would prefer Trump to cause WW3 simply so they can say 'We told you so'.

    It is disgusting.
     
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    Funny you should mention it Tony. There’s a lot of similarities between Trump and Edin.
     
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    I think i'll see how it pans out before thinking all the complex issues in that area are solved by this businessman turned president and one meeting. But i guess some credit is due for getting to a meeting, how much is justifiable can only be proven with time. We'll know it's a success when there's villas and a golf complex in Kim's back yard.
     
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    I think you will find that China paved the way with threats of sanctions. It is a treaty of intent where USA backs off out of the China sea, which China would like so they can get on with their ‘expansion’ Not sure the South Koreans were ready for that one. It is another one of those wait and see.
     
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    Sorry, but I must disagree. Of all the terms I could use to describe Trump, "decent" is right near the end of the list, along with such concepts as "honourable" and "gentlemanly."

    He is a liar -- and nary a hint of lawsuits for defamation / slander / libel against those, including reputable commentators, using the term.

    He is a bully -- latest examples the NAFTA talks and the comments made about Trudeau/Canada at the G7 summit. (One thing he has achieved -- both the left- and right-wing parties here have joined forces in supporting the centre-leftish Liberals and Trudeau in his responses to Trump. This sort of unity is usually reserved for hockey or curling...)

    His understanding of economics is shaky to say the least -- note his beliefs that America is somehow being grossly taken advantage of by its trading partners (e.g. Canada) despite reputable analyses to the contrary.

    His understanding, in general, is weak; his behaviour is appalling, his morals are as questionable as his business ethics. He (with his acolytes) is doing much damage to America's name and reputation throughout the world, and he can only be viewed as one of the "best" Presidents in that same through-the-looking-glass world in which he can be seen as "decent." Any good he might do is outweighed by far by the bad. I just hope the Americans wake up and do not give him a second term.

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  18. Dennis

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    As the Prez might well say himself, 'a great post, a really great post!'
     
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  19. trevor

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    Lets take your points,
    First everyone lies but especially Politicians, No politician especially a leader will take the media to court it is suicidal therefore the press has a free shot at those they take against with a gullible readership, If a politician besmirches the free press and media they can take legal action but none ever do because they might lose and be accused of lying,
    Second I think you will find he has a criminal free record and his morals are far superior to at least one leader of the free world.
    Third, You say his understanding of economics is shaky, Yet he owns and operates a Billion pound empire so he can not be that shaky, You say his understanding of trade is wrong because he has told other trading partners that tariffs have to be re balanced because the USA is being taken advantage of, This is true other presidents have threatened but this one sticks to his word, Tariffs for goods exported to the EU etc are far higher than for the EU exporting to the US, Canada and Mexico and others are the same.
    The comments on the G7 are wrong, He told them openly his views on trade and of course they have such a good existing deal they did not like the fact that Trump is threatening to re-balance trade tariffs,
    BTW do not forget his domestic policies have produced growth, record employment figures and going from factories closing under his predecessor to now factories opening and providing prosperity to thousands more citizens,
    But of course the left hate him so can see no good in what he does they would rather have a bad president on the left than an outstanding one from the centre right especially one that speaks his mind
     
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    First everyone lies

    Debatable, but alright if we include the little "lies" we tell each other to keep things running smoothly: "Do you like my new hairstyle?" "Yes dear, you look fine!"

    but especially Politicians,

    Firmer ground here, but to give the obvious example, campaign promises are generally accepted to be more wishes than cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die promises.

    Still, there are degrees of lie, and Trump has not confined himself to those of the "little white lie" nor "campaign promise" variety.

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    Second I think you will find he has a criminal free record

    Plenty of people around who are unacquainted with morals or ethical behaviour and yet do not have criminal records.

    and his morals are far superior to at least one leader of the free world.

    This leader must be quite the character then; it certainly isn't Trudeau, or May, or Merkel. Lying, bullying, paying his sexual partners for their silence afterwards -- and was he married during any of these liaisons? -- grabbing women by their privates and bragging about it, speaking vulgarly and behaving uncouthly...I can't say that any other national leader with all those achievements comes immediately to mind.

    Third, You say his understanding of economics is shaky,

    Numerous economists and trade experts on both sides of the border have repeatedly crunched the numbers and come up with the conclusion that America has, if anything, a trade surplus with Canada, yet he refuses to listen.

    The continuing softwood lumber dispute -- decades old now -- means continued price increases for US consumers, as furniture makers there need the Canadian wood for their products -- American lumber not suitable.

    The new tariffs on imported steel and aluminium will cause price increases and some hardships in the US, as they do not produce domestically all the various steels needed in their high-tech and military industries, and the factories cannot just pop up overnight.


    Yet he owns and operates a Billion pound empire so he can not be that shaky,

    It would be nice to know just how solid are the foundations of this "empire," what debts are there, and what would be left if everything were liquidated and all debts repaid. And recall the scandals surrounding Trump University.
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    Tariffs for goods exported to the EU etc are far higher than for the EU exporting to the US, Canada and Mexico and others are the same.

    The tariffs are justifiable, in that local industries/agriculture need protection; especially in the days when America was a manufacturing powerhouse, it could easily have swamped other nations with its goods.

    The Canadian supply management systemd for eggs and dairy is a good example. Because of this, prices are stable, supply is assured -- production is kept consistent with consumption -- and family farms can survive and even thrive. Eliminate the system, allow the US to dump its surplus production here, and the dairy farmers here will be decimated.

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    BTW do not forget his domestic policies have produced growth, record employment figures and going from factories closing under his predecessor to now factories opening and providing prosperity to thousands more citizens,

    It is also possible that some of the recovery is due to the cyclical nature of things, or to developments during Obama's presidency.

    But of course the left hate him so can see no good in what he does they would rather have a bad president on the left than an outstanding one from the centre right especially one that speaks his mind

    I would be happy to have an outstanding president down south of us, whether left or right. But however hard I look, I'm not seeing one right now.

    And I'm not necessarily of the left myself. Liberal yes, in Canadian party terms, which means more centre than anything else; there is no real equivalent back home. The Lib-Dems maybe came the closest.


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