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Takeover Rumours

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by EdwinB, Dec 9, 2021.

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Who would you like to see running the club

  1. RUPP

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  2. WAGMI

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  3. Another

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  1. Bigrod

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    What is the connection between:
    • Tulips
    • Darien
    • South Sea Bubbles
    • Clarance Harty
    • Bradford & Bingley
     
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  2. Onside87

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    I would ignore the awful statement by Rupp. The bloke hasn’t said anything in 3 years and now releases a piss poor statement on the back of last night.
    It’s clear these Americans are at least interested in buying the club. What I would say is that Rupps statement contradicts what WAGMI were saying with speaking to the EFL, due diligence and only being a matter of weeks away from purchasing the club.
    Rupp will absolutely consider a bid for the club. I’d expect negotiations to continue.
     
  3. SimonW

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    They are almost certainly going to want to pay with Crypto itself. Despite its name Cryptocurrency isn't considered a currency and as such disposing of it for FIAT currency incurs capital gains so anything they agree to pay for the club will cost them a fair bit more (Capital gains in the US is 20% I believe)

    And the thing is with NFT's even if it's just being used to generate rounds of investment you need some utility to keep people buying them and certainly needs to attract people from outside the business core audience. I'll use an example of Sorare and Funko. Sorare being a NFT based Fantasy Football game gives the NFT's utility, they can keep releasing NFT's and people will keep buying them and the prices rise because they have a purpose. Funko make collectable figure of various things in pop-culture including from Music, Movies, TV, Books, Comics and Sport, many of you may have seen one of their lines Funko Pop's on the shelves of various stores. They got into NFT's in September with their hook being you would buy packs of cards and special cards would come with a redemption for the Pop on the NFT as a free physical item (or if you collected all the cards without a physical redemption you would get a different physical pop). That got a lot of fans of Funko excited as Funko pop's with limited runs of less than 1500 pieces are worth hundreds and in some cases thousands of pounds and the first round of them also had a lot of NFT fans speculating. The problem is not only have they released a new set from a new franchise every month since the first set which was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fell in value sharply on December 1st which is when people could redeem their physical pops because the value was being driven by Funko fans wanting the actual pops and that's tanked the value of all of them. As an example packs are $10 for 5 or 6 cards , I sold a Dupe Legendary card of Shredder which came with a physical redemption for $267 and a Rare card with no redemption for $56 and then the rest of my dupes (about 8) for a combined $88 so more than covered the $60 I spent but the other 26 ones I held onto are right now worth just $22. The latest line they released after the first rounds of redemption is Star Trek and the Legendary card of Kirk with a physical redemption are just $36 and the Scotty and Kilngon ones are worth even less.

    So that's the problem they face, they would largely be selling the NFT's to you the fans unless they can find a way to make them appeal to a wider audience (Artwork only NFT's are hard to make blow up, there are somewhere artwork alone go viral and sell for hundreds of thousands but 99.9% struggle to sell and/or lose value) so they will have to basically profit on your fandom and desire for your club to get better by selling you something that will be worthless.

    And lets not forget most NFT's if you sell them you don't get the full value, you have to pay gas fees (what transaction costs are called in crypto), you will pay the platform you are selling them on a fee and the creator can dictate an automatic amount they get from resales all of which comes out of your return before you have to potentially pay capital gains. Its the cut of resale where actually most creators of NFT's make their money, an NFT may only get them $10 on the first sale but if that ends up selling on the secondary market for $5000 with the average rate being in the 5-10% they would make $250 to $500 from that which is fine if its an NFT that explodes in price but as Man City and PSG's fan tokens show without utility the hardcore fans who buy them initially end up losing out.

    They are certainly only likely to put their hands in their own pocket if crypto is going through another 100% rise and as such they can afford to drop another 100k or so into your bank account.

    TBH if the club wanted to get involved in NFT's they would be best off approaching Sorare to get City officially licenced and cards for all your players added to that. The club and players not only get an initial licence fee but they also get a cut of all sales and resales and at least that's something with function beyond the NFT's that attracts both fans and non-fans of City
     
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    Given the interest is genuine, and given Rupps mismanagement of the club and apathy towards it, if a deal isn't struck, I can see many fans really turning on Stefan. And maybe the club itself.
     
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    I listened to the twitter space last night and whether it was fake or not, they seemed confident a deal was close to completion in time for the January transfer window.
    And if it was all bullshit then Bradford City would have either dismissed it immediately in the statement or simply ignored it completely and said nothing
     
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    These shenanigans surely rule out ANY spending in January, how convenient....
     
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    Well, to be fair, they could have been having the discussions with the EFL and other regulatory/legal bods to see if what they wanted to do was possible. They don't need to go to the EFL and say - we want to buy x and this is how - right at the start.

    Also, they mentioned they'd looked at 9 clubs in 3 countries so they probably only fairly recently decided on an order or preference.

    It may be they only made contact with SR yesterday.
     
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    I would imagine the reason Rupp hasn’t replied to the interest from a third party is he is still getting up off the floor.
    Please sell, we’ve all had enough of your ownership.
     
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    Failure to gain promotion this season will be a disaster for season ticket sales next season and then the rent burden of VP becomes even more of a problem the less fans we have in it.
    Without investment I’m certain we’ll drop to the National League in the next few seasons.
    So if these crypto guys are serious it would be in everyone’s interest to support them.
     
  12. Onside87

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    I didn’t know that about the other clubs. That’s interesting.

    You’d think as sad as it sounds that Stevenage would be a better investment if they were serious. Based in and around London and wont be silly money that Rupp reportedly wants. Historically we are obviously a massive club compared to Stevenage but if this is just some project for them then im not sure that really matters.
     
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  13. Gardscoigne

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    Valid point! Although I’ve not idea if these people are just a bunch of kids in Thackley or Queensbury having a bit of fun - in which case any publicity is good publicity
     
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    It's hardly like they have made a formal proposal. If they had you could say that its you and not Sutton and Stevenage but right now with that kind of contact it strikes me more as its a fact finding mission to see who might sell, which fans would be most accepting etc before making a decision
     
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    The guys last night were talking about potential and it’s fair to say that Sutton or Stevenage don’t have and could never have the instant fanbase that we already have. Not to mention a PL stadium we already play in.
     
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    If I was mega rich looking to buy a club with potential at a low price then Bradford City would be top of my list every day of the week.
    There’s other struggling ready made PL standard clubs such as Derby but how much would it cost to buy them?
     
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    Rupp wouldn't have written it but his PR person would have. There is no way Sparks has written it without Rupp's knowledge or the clubs just made a statement up. The last thing you want if you are trying to sell a club (or if you aren't tbh) is chancers using the media to make it seem like things are further along than they are. It can put other bids off who perhaps don't feel they are far enough along in their plans to put in a rival bid or may feel they can't financially match them. And they wouldn't be the first to flirt with one club to get their profile up and then go after another target as football fans can feel swayed thinking they have got one over a rival which can mask some concerns
     
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    Depending on what stage it gets to we will be embargoed I think from making signings?
     
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    It can't be, their social media accounts are too well established and by all intents and purposes legitimate.

    https://twitter.com/jacksettleman

    An account that's been running 10 years with 32,000+ followers isn't a kid pretending to be Jack Settleman - I mean, it could still be a load of old codswallop, but the people themselves are legitimate.
     
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