Quantcast

  1. Welcome to Bantam Talk

    Why not register for an account?

    Not only can you then get fully involved in the community but you also get fewer ads

  2. Premium Membership now Available


    Please see this thread for more details

    Dismiss Notice
Welcome to Bantam Talk Premium Membership now Available

Stephen Warnock Speaks (again)

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Apr 25, 2019.

Page 1 of 3
  1. Bigrod

    Bigrod
    Staff Member Moderator P.L.24/25 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 Qatar 2022 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    12,139
    A second article, written around some comments made by Stephen Warnock. Perhaps less controversial than the first article, but still an insight. There are comments about the decision to get rid of the 'senior players' apparently made by Collins!

    In respect of the prospect of promotion under Gary Bowyer, he apparently stated, “It depends what he gets given – it depends what funds he gets given to reinvest into the squad and to get them out of that league straight away.

    “It depends how much backing from the fans he gets as well, it’s not about the team on the pitch, it has to be a collective thing".

    “But Gary is more than capable of doing it. He’s a good manager who went into tough circumstances at Blackpool, and although it hasn’t worked out for him at Bradford as of yet, he’ll argue that it’s not his squad.

    “But there will be players that step out of League One next season to go and play for them, as it is a massive club.”

    In regard to the appointment of Collins last summer, Warnock is reported as saying,
    “I think it was a massive gamble putting Michael Collins in charge at the start of the season – not one that was the wrong appointment, but it was a gamble, for him to step up from youth team football.”

    “He made big decisions to get rid of senior players like Matt Kilgallon, Colin Doyle and Tony McMahon. These are senior players in the dressing room, and as much as people say about needing players that get around the pitch, players like that are so important to set the standards around the training and around the building.”

    “It is sad to see them go down, but things need to change drastically.” https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/exclusive-stephen-warnock-talks-bradford-citys-league-two-chances-and-the-future-under-gary-bowyer/
     
    #1 Bigrod, Apr 25, 2019
    Briggus and rmbenson007 like this.
  2. Dennis

    Dennis
    Staff Member Moderator Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    6,197
    Likes Received:
    15,875
    That comment re Killa seems to confirm what Killa himself said. Not long after Killa left for Scotland, he said in an interview that the reason he left was because Collins (rather than Rahic) didn't want him in the squad. And that was despite Collins saying there was a place for him!

    That decision by Collins has probably cost us dearly this season.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #2 Dennis, Apr 25, 2019
    Bob, Pineapple Salesman, Stevay_b and 4 others like this.
  3. BradfordBanter

    BradfordBanter Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2018
    Messages:
    1,992
    Likes Received:
    3,123
    Agree, Killa was streets ahead of both NKP and AOC! Ridiculous that he was POTY and he decided that our POTY should be moved on, pathetic.
     
    #3 BradfordBanter, Apr 25, 2019
    gildersomebantam, Yorkieman, bantamlad92 and 5 others like this.
  4. Ricc

    Ricc Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2018
    Messages:
    2,704
    Likes Received:
    5,762
    I still believe it wasn't Collins that made those decisions.

    Rahic would NEVER have stood for the re-signing of McMahon, so it's not Collins call that he didn't get a contract.
    I strongly suspect that Edin told Collins (the puppet that he is) what was what in regards contracts/transfers and Collins went along with it, because he'd been landed with this massive job straight out of a (failing) under 18 coaching role and didn't wish to risk it.

    and when he's dangling the likes of Jack Payne, Eoin Doyle, Joe Riley and Sean Scannell in front of you, who on paper were good signings, why would he.

    terrible management all round. Edin for making the calls in the first place, and Collins for not recognising that getting rid of Killa and Doyle in particular were not great ideas.
     
    #4 Ricc, Apr 25, 2019
    bantamlad92, Fordy117, The Evidence and 3 others like this.
  5. CT Bantam

    CT Bantam
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    2,022
    No probably about it for me Dennis. You only have to see how badly we defended, especially in the air, to see what Killa could have added to our team. A truly awful decision in a season of awful decisions.
     
    #5 CT Bantam, Apr 25, 2019
    Onside and Dennis like this.
  6. Bronco

    Bronco
    P.L. 23/24 Top 20 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 30 Supporter Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    40,214
    Likes Received:
    43,905
    “I think it was a massive gamble putting Michael Collins in charge at the start of the season – not one that was the wrong appointment, but it was a gamble, for him to step up from youth team football.”

    Collins was the wrong appointment at the time (he didnt even apply for the job) it was done for one reason and one reason only,and if Bradford City fans can't work out why Rahic appointed him then they are either in denial or deluded.
     
    #6 Bronco, Apr 25, 2019
    vladimir, Yorkieman, bantamlad92 and 1 other person like this.
  7. marshy77

    marshy77 Emergency Backup

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2018
    Messages:
    2,035
    Likes Received:
    2,505
    So Warnocks lying?
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #7 marshy77, Apr 25, 2019
    Storck, How and Park bantam like this.
  8. Ricc

    Ricc Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2018
    Messages:
    2,704
    Likes Received:
    5,762
    quite the contrary, but I appreciate the effort to get me back!

    Warnock...and anyone not Rahic and Collins themselves for that matter wouldn't know... because the information given was that it was Collin's call... as with all the transfers, despite most of them being made before Collins was appointed.

    Warnock wasn't there... he's just privy to much the same info as the fans are. so he's just quoting that. it's not the same as the training ground situation as he was there and used that facility.
     
    #8 Ricc, Apr 25, 2019
  9. marshy77

    marshy77 Emergency Backup

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2018
    Messages:
    2,035
    Likes Received:
    2,505
    Sorry, should've added a winking smiley.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #9 marshy77, Apr 25, 2019
    Rogered Tart and Ricc like this.
  10. Park bantam

    Park bantam Regular Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    19,129
    Likes Received:
    20,796
    No it doesn’t fit his theory so he must be telling porkys
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #10 Park bantam, Apr 25, 2019
  11. Ricc

    Ricc Impact Sub

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2018
    Messages:
    2,704
    Likes Received:
    5,762

    someone's missed the response I've already posted, and also Marshy's admission that he was joking.


    not like you to miss something so blatant.....oh wait.
     
    #11 Ricc, Apr 25, 2019
    Interested Bystander likes this.
  12. Dratsab taf

    Dratsab taf Squad Player

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2018
    Messages:
    1,763
    Likes Received:
    3,087
    Werent doyle and mcmahon gone before collins even took over? Both were not offered contracts or offered very low contracts so left on june 1st?
     
    #12 Dratsab taf, Apr 25, 2019
  13. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart
    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    18,728
    Likes Received:
    44,526
    If Collins really did make that decision then i'm thinking maybe first team football management isn't his cup of tea. Anyone with half a football brain could have told him it was a stupid idea, getting rid of player who offered more than just a bum on the subs bench. Still don't believe it was all down to him, merely carrying out an order from Herr Rahic.
     
    #13 Rogered Tart, Apr 25, 2019
    NorthernMonkey, BoingBoing and CT Bantam like this.
  14. JonButterfield

    JonButterfield
    Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant Qatar 2022 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    15,499
    Likes Received:
    26,037
    Saying Collins got rid of Kilgallon does not disprove the idea that Rahic told Collins to get rid of Kilgallon.

    It's not one or the other.
     
    #14 JonButterfield, Apr 25, 2019
    BoingBoing and CT Bantam like this.
  15. hippo

    hippo
    Euro24 PL Entrant P.L. 20/21 Top 20 Euro 2020

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2018
    Messages:
    982
    Likes Received:
    1,369
    This is the problem with punditry. You won't last long if your boring so you have to appear informative and opinionated. Doesn't matter if he left at the end of last season he knows enough to fill in some gaps and make a good story out of it and appear that he knows all about it. Chris Sutton's a master at it. So was that guy that used to be on the football league show that always had a best mate at every club that told him everything that was going on.
     
    #15 hippo, Apr 25, 2019
  16. Dennis

    Dennis
    Staff Member Moderator Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    6,197
    Likes Received:
    15,875
    I don't know about Doyle or McMahon but Killa himself said that it was Collins' decision and his alone for him to leave the club. I couldn't find the Scottish newspaper where I first read this but Killa said something very similar to Parker in the T&A. Having already left the club, Killa could quite easily have attached some blame to Rahic for his leaving. But he didn't. He only referred to Collins and made a point in the interview about this. Given everything else which was rotten at VP, and most of it rightly laid at Rahic's door, it wouldn't have come as any surprise to anybody if Killa had also pinned his departure on Rahic. But instead he blamed Collins alone and from what was said there had been no pressure on Collins from above.

    I'm taking Killa at his word which is then echoed by the Warnock article.

    .

    Edit - Just found the interview in the T&A which was similar to the Scottish one...

    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/16685769.kilgallon-bows-out-with-touch-of-class/
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #16 Dennis, Apr 25, 2019
  17. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart
    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    18,728
    Likes Received:
    44,526
    Looks like it was Collins. He should stick to the youth teams cos he ain't cut out for the main man role.
     
    #17 Rogered Tart, Apr 25, 2019
    Dennis likes this.
  18. Dennis

    Dennis
    Staff Member Moderator Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    6,197
    Likes Received:
    15,875
    He was well out of his depth!

    Heavens knows why he was appointed ...
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #18 Dennis, Apr 25, 2019
    The Evidence and Onside like this.
  19. Rogered Tart

    Rogered Tart
    P.L. 23/24 Top 30 Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2018
    Messages:
    18,728
    Likes Received:
    44,526
    I'm trying to think of anyone in football who has been offered a a management job without them actually applying for it. I could understand it if say it was a caretaker manager who'd had a good spell then was given the job without an interview process, but ffs, this guy had never been on football league bench as a either a first team manager or assistant. Most bizarre managerial appointment i've ever seen.
     
    #19 Rogered Tart, Apr 25, 2019
    The Evidence, Edinmiarse, Onside and 1 other person like this.
  20. Onside

    Onside
    Euro24 PL Entrant P.L.24/25 Entrant Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9,943
    Likes Received:
    16,917
    That is simple, Rahic wanted to manage, and he couldn’t risk a bona fida manager.
     
    #20 Onside, Apr 25, 2019
    vladimir, Inspector, Bronco and 5 others like this.
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 3

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Accept Learn More...
    Dismiss Notice