Spanish president bloke.

He grabbed his crotch for a split second in a moment of sheer elation in a jokey celebratory way - as you are clearly aware of - yet choose to completely ignore the context to suit your political narrative. He also did it whilst facing and looking at the pitch - not the Queen or whoever else was in the box - after his country had literally just won a World Cup. It's a celebration during high jubilation.

Yeah, the players are so bothered by the state of the Spanish FA that they gave their blood, sweat and tears for them and their supposed hated-manager and hated-president. If it was as bad as you're implying none of them would have played.

Again, it's faux outrage over nothing aligned with current leftie outrages. I'd suggest taking your head out of the Guardian and living in the real world.

 

Funnily enough, Rubiales' actions have been condemned in widespread sporting and news media of all political persuasions, not just the Guardian.

Spur of the moment, split second or whatever, nobody in normal modern society 'in the real world' grabs their crotch as a gesture of celebration. It's an utterly outdated, overtly macho action that only a sexist oaf would do in public, let alone in front of millions of TV viewers. It's pathetic that you can't understand this.
Normal people simply don't grab their crotch in public or plant unexpected kisses on the lips of others without asking, however excited they are.

You appear to be forgetting about the twelve first choice squad players who actually gave up the chance to be involved in the World Cup finals because they felt so strongly about the culture and treatment they were being subjected to over several years. Do you think they made this unprecedented sacrifice on a whim?

 

Can't find anything to even suggest this. Find it bizarre you're making stuff up unless you've got your wires crossed? Some players threatened/declared a boycott over exhaustive training methods a month or two before the world cup started. Sounds like you're spinning that to suit your narrative which is pretty lame.

With regards to the kiss itself - I refer back to my earlier point that context is very important before somebody is crucified. This isn't a bloke going up to a player in training, or in the street, or anywhere else and just randomly kissing them on the lips is it. It's literally minutes after winning a World Cup and it's obvious as hell that this wasn't an act of malicious sexual assault but a moment of jubilation, joy and happiness. Sometimes kids or even adults get kissed by their parents or grandparents or other distant relatives or family friends against their will but it's accepted, this really isn't much different. He's like a Father or an Uncle to someone he's known most of her life. Says more about you or anyone else who sees anything malicious about it.

As for grabbing the crotch - that's just your opinion. It's a celebration, he's having a laugh, he's just won the World Cup. Whether or not you or any of the woke brigade agree with it is your problem, there's nothing wrong with it. It's a matter of opinion. Just nit picking at random nonsense with that.

 

It wasn't just about training. It was also about strict regime rules like leaving their hotel doors open until midnight, having their bags searched after going shopping during training camps and other strictures which would never have been applied to their counterparts in the men's squad. Those things were indicative of a controlling culture by the male dominated Federation and coaching team. It's an open secret that many of the Spanish players couldn't stand their (now sacked) male manager and have wanted him out for years. The Spanish team has underperformed for most of his tenure. He only kept his place because of the support of his mate Rubiales. The feeling in Spanish women's football is that they should have won major honours years before and that they won this World Cup in spite of, not because of, Vilda.

The issue isn't whether the kiss was malicious. I don't doubt that Rubiales didn't believe he was being inappropriate. But that's the problem. Only someone who is completely out of touch with modern standards of personal respect would even think of doing such a thing. Things have moved on since the head of the IOC suggested that women beach volleyball players should wear shorter shorts to make the game more appealing to male spectators. But the thinking and actions of some people, like Rubiales', are still stuck back in those patronising days. Anyone who can stand in a meeting and defend his behaviour with a rant against 'false feminism' is clearly stuck in the past.

If you think crotch grabbing in public or kissing people on the lips without consent is acceptable behaviour in 2023 then crack on. I can't help you. Quite obviously, given the worldwide outrage and condemnation, most civilised people don't.

 

Worldwide outrage and condemnation is just plain false. It was a gradual snowball effect instigated by the woke left. When something legitimately serious happens there is an instant reaction - this was very much delayed and driven by subordinates with no connection to the victim herself. It's all so manufactured it's quite cringeworthy.

I can see why it has been manufactured though - clearly an element of people, the woke left, yourself, etc, believe there is a certain type of behaviour that ought to be adhered to as a man (and evidently as a woman too - to be outraged, even if you're not). Whether you like it or not, that's just your opinion. It isn't right and it isn't wrong.

What exactly is wrong with some women wearing shorter shorts? Have you actually considered the very likely prospect that some women may want to wear shorter shorts? Or are women not allowed that opinion for this narrative as you just need to find something to bash anything slightly too manly again? In the current Instagram & Only Fans society we live in, there appears to be more women than ever dressing in skimpy outfits in public - the no bra movement is at its highest at present for example. You're actually trying to control how women ought to be behave in line with woke politics, the hypocrisy is beyond laughable.

Spanish team underperforming during the managers tenure?! Are you actually having a laugh - they've just won the world cup under him! Your blatant agenda is so hypocritical you literally don't even know what point you're trying to make, it's utterly embarrassing and completely laughable now.

 

12 boycotted the world cup: Patri Guijarro, Mapi León, Sandra Paños, Andrea Pereira, Clàudia Pina, Laia Aleixandri, Leila Ouahabi, Ainhoa Vicente, Lucía García, Lola Gallardo, Amaiur Sarriegi and Nerea Eizagirre.

It's interesting how people will try and defend someone who sexually assaulted someone. If not accepting sexual assault makes me woke then I am proud to be woke. Seems you are only interesting in his feels and not the victims in this, he didn't win the world cup, the player did.

 

Nobody is defending anyone who commits sexual assault. Context is very important. Somebody pecking someone who they've been close to and known most of their lives in a moment of jubilation with clearly no malicious or sexual intent isn't a sexual assault - it's inappropriate at the absolute worst.

Interesting how you use the term victim. The same victim that was laughing about it, the same victim who was joking about it well after it had happened, the same victim that initially released a statement to state it was something of nothing, and the same victim that didn't press any charges until she was essentially forced to by all the faux outrage coming from the woke feminist left.

Granted, he shouldn't peck her on the lips. However, context is important in the midst of heightened emotions with no malicious intent. To prosecute over that is outrageous. An honest apology and they'd have been fine by now.

As for being 'proud to be woke', you use that quite often like it's some sort of achievement - all it shows is that you're a sheep who gains self-fulfilment by trying to be the moral hero.

 

She never did that, it was a statement put out by the Spanish FA pretending to be her but I assume you didn't check that either and you've tagged on this and getting upset that men can't get away with behaviour like his. If you think the time it took to report it means anything then you don't have a clue about things like this. The context is it was sexual assault but you are excusing it as a football match.

 

He thinks someone grabbing the back of a woman's head, pulling it towards him and planting a full blown kiss on her lips is 'a peck'.
He thinks a man grabbing his crotch in front of millions of TV viewers is normal, justifiable behaviour.
He can't see anything wrong with the male president of the IOC (not the women themselves) suggesting that women athletes wear shorter shorts, purely in order to tittilate male audiences.
He seems unable to distinguish between how women choose for themselves to dress and behave and how men in powerful positions decree that they should.
He also thinks the Russian invasion of Ukraine is justified.
'Nuff said.

 

Didn't know what this was about so had a watch of the video. Personally not something i would have done, i think upto the embrace his action is fine, after he's got a bit carried away in the heat of the moment. Once the woman in question had felt it was inappropriate he would have been better to offer a simple statement apologising for getting caught in the emotion of the moment.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/world/europe/womens-soccer-spain-sexism.html

As I said earlier, the kiss was just the tip of the iceberg.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/world/europe/womens-soccer-spain-sexism.html

Obviously it's all just a storm in a teacup.

 

I ask myself this, if it was a hairy arsed , 30 year old male centre back would he have kissed him on the lips as well? There is your answer.

 

Neville obviously thought it appropriate as he had his eyes closed, its not a proper kiss with your eyes open, the worlds gone barmy.

 

further proof that this is about much more than a kiss. The squad for Spain's game on Friday was released yesterday and it has players in that are striking. If the players refuse to attend today they will be breaking Spanish sports law and be liable to a find of up to 30,000 euros plus sporting bans so they are forcing players to break their strike or they will be heavily fined. One player not picked is Hermoso which shows what the Spanish FA really think and who they support.