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Ronaldo

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Keefly Bantam, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. Keefly Bantam

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    Stuck up his own ar$e or does he have a point?

    I think he has done ever so well from his time at Man Utd and he should be showing them respect for paying him millions and millions of pounds to kick a football around.

    Talented for sure but now too big for his own boots perhaps?
     
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  2. TallinnBantam

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    A bit of both. Lifting the lid on the ongoings of the club, but unfortunately coming across as petulant at the same time. But ultimately, it’s a smart move to manufacture his contact termination. He’s lost a lot of fans I bet. Sad that such a professional player, has had to handle it this way.
     
  3. Edin Nowhere

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    Man Utd won't be too bothered. They probably covered his signing and made of the back of it with merchandise sales meaning that even if he didn't kick a ball they would make some money.

    Some teams could carry a Ronaldo, Man Utd are not one of them. A modern striker needs to do hard yards unless you are Man City where you can plonk Haaland up front and just leave him there. Ronaldo at this stage of his career is not going to do that. Messi at PSG is a prime example of where Ronaldo needs to be at this age, in a team where tracking back isn't required and you can pretty much camp in the oppositions half.

    Alot of what Ronaldo says is probably true. The facilities not being updated and things being in a time warp since the says of Sir Alex, however he's only saying these things because he has fallen out with the manager, if he was starting every week what he is calling out wouldn't have even been mentioned.
     
  4. bantamlad92

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    The problem here is that Manchester United now is not the same Manchester United when Ronaldo was there first time around.

    The club isn't anywhere near as successful or stable as it was during his first stint. He's played under 4 different managers since his return to the club (Ole, Carrick, Ralf, Erik). There's very little structure and stability that there was under Sir Alex, no real direction from top to bottom, and I think Cristiano has tried very hard to try and do more than just his role as a player by attempting to make changes in the way the club operates (ie when he came in he changed the diets of the team and ensured certain recovery methods were introduced). Ronaldo has tried his best to make positive changes for a club he loves and he feels as though he has been given the cold shoulder by colleagues, by management (post Ole/Carrick). We've seen that Ronaldo was capable of managing the Portugal team to the Euro 2016 title from the sidelines. He's a very knowledgable man.

    I think he's right in what he's doing. Just my opinion.
     
  5. SimonW

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    I'm divided. I do feel ETH is showing him a lot of disrespect highlighted by the situation where he tried to bring him on for a couple of minutes the other week. There are 2 reasons you bring people on for the last few minutes. First, you are under the cosh and you have an experienced defensive player on the bench, you bring them on to shore things up. Or you want to give a young player a few minutes as part of gaining them the experience as part of the process of making them ready for the first team. Ronaldo isn't a defensive player and isn't a youngster, doing that to arguably the greatest footballer ever is massively disrespectful.

    Strangely when Ole kept Henderson and Lingard last season there were many talking about how disrespectful Ole was being when in both of those cases there were valid reasons yet people are refusing to see it with ETH. With Henderson, he went into the season going to be number 1 and then he got COVID, and not just the 5 days feeling a tiny but under the weather COVID, he got long COVID and wasn't able to train let alone play. By the timehe was over it DDG had been in amazing form, infact it's arguable that DDG and Ronaldo were the only players who turned up last season. It's not like he was so good at the end of the season before, he played fewer games that season yet had more errors that led to shots and errors that led to goals that DDG so thinking he deserved to displace a keeper in really good form as soon as he got over his long COVID was ridiculous.

    And with Lingard, United wanted to sell Lingard, Ole wanted to sell Lingard. The only team in for him was West Ham. Man Utd wanted around £30mill which in today's market was fair. West Ham plead poverty and bid £18mill and wouldn't budge. Then they proceeded to spend over £30mill on Zouma, a player who was always injured at Chelsea and when fit would have 1 good game and then a run of poor games. For too long United fans have complained that we pay a United tax to buy players meaning we overpay while we end up selling players for way under the market value yet. When WH were willing to overpay for a player from Chelsea and wouldn't pay a fairish fee in the current market for a player they already knew was a great fit that's not being disrespectful to Lingard, that's WH being disrespectful to him.

    I also feel ETH has hung him out to dry, for example he may not have been able to reveal exactly why Ronaldo missed pre-season for privacy reasons, which is why the club only said it was for Family reasons but the way he answered questions just fostered the idea Ronaldo was effectively on strike. And when he left at half-time in the pre-season match he did play he didn't put to bed the idea that it was just Ronaldo, every player who wasn't involved in the second half left, maybe ETH didn't authorise that but don't give validation to the press that it was just Ronaldo.

    And his criticism of Ralf is correct, everyone suddenly started acting like they knew who he was but hardly anyone did outside of German Coaching circles. And even then he is known more as someone who revamps things behind the scenes, not as a successful coach. Many of the clubs he has been at have had more success when he has left than when he has been their manager. United should have brought him in to help Ole as a Director of Football and then if Ole still wasn't working to find a manager that was fitting what was going on behind the scenes. As it was because he was manager he wasn't really able to revamp things behind the scenes and then a manager who was very single-minded about his way of doing things was brought in rendering it pointless following up with the plans to have him working in the background as it wouldn't gel.

    However, I'm not sure Ronaldo has really done this the right way and some of his criticism of the facilities is unfair. The problem with the turnover of managers is each one has had their own ideas so a lot of money has been spent on changing the facilities, especially the setup of the training pitches to meet these requirements. So that makes a full-on long-term redevelopment of them tough as they have to get what the manager needs right now in place not the stuff that would be useful longer term. Also the medical facilities have had a massive upgrade, including now having a mini-hospital which means players don't have to go out to a local hospital for many things, including the signing medicals

    There seems to be this myth though that Ronaldo can't press, you see often for Portugal and even times since he came back to United that he will and can happily track back and then break forward. If he can do that there is no reason he can't press, after all, its not like Rashford and Martial are natural pressers either, in fact if ETH can get Rashford who has to have one of the worst Football IQ's out there to be effective (Rashford can be great when he doesn't have to think, he just does but as is consistently shown when he tries to beat defenders with the ball at his feet or in front of goal when he has to think about what he is doing he fails over and over again). It seems more that Managers are telling him not to press as there have been games he has pressed and done so fairly well. And there is no reason any team cant carry one player, especially United right now where they have enough high-energy, quick players where you could go to Ronaldo 'occupy the CB's' and then have the others close down, the problem is more that in reality the rest of the players really aren't doing full press, its one player pressing and the others not or a player pressing at the wrong time.

    Personally, I would have liked to have seen ETH try Ronaldo in the 10 role with Bruno dropping into midfield. A big thing with United this season is we simply haven't been clinical enough. Bruno is being targeted so he goes wandering to find space to do what he is great at doing but that means when we break we don't have someone arriving late in the space so the wide players don't have the pull-back option so its fairly easy to deal with the predictable ball. With a faster striker using that pace to draw defenders to create space and Ronaldo arriving later it would give more options and Ronaldo finding space in that 10-18 yard range would be fairly lethal. The only problem with that is we would most likely have to drop Eriksen who has been really good although you could do what has been happening at times and play Bruno out wider, especially seeing as Dalot is better going forward than he is defending so you could leave him to hug the line while Bruno is slightly tucked in
     
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    £30m fair for Lingard? You're 'aving a giraffe.
     
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  7. Rogered Tart

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    He's got a new generation of fans, the fifa generation who follow individual players rather than a football team. This weird breed of people won't ever hear a bad word about the superhero. Strange world we live in now.
    Personally i think he's one of the best footballers to ever walk this planet, off the pitch he's like a lot of other celebrities, a plastic surgeons dream whos so far up his own arse he can lick his own tonsils
     
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    He’s gone with immediate effect. Not surprising.
     
  9. Storck

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    Hope no club sign him, or he picks a niggly injury up in world cup so it puts clubs off
     
  10. bantam65

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    Niggly?
    Hope the pillock never kicks a ball again tbh
     
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    I can understand his frustrations. He is a born winner and has standards - Man Utd are a shambles of a club and have been since Fergy and Gill left. They should have let him leave in the summer if they only planned on him being a bit part player. That said he has tarnished his legacy a bit (more so with his behaviour with Portugal) but who hasn't. Ronaldinho, Diego, Zidane etc all had flaws and are sometimes remembered for the wrong things.

    Still maintain that he is the greatest player to ever walk the planet. Is he the best? No, possibly top 10 but talent isn't exclusive to greatness, I don't think anyone has ever achieved more than Ronaldo in football. Best international record, best champions league record and one of only a select few to win Europes big 3 leagues. Plus he is the top goalscorer of all times and has still won 5 balon d'ors and 3 FIFA player of the years when he has had to contend with Messi (who I believe edges him in terms of talent). These are facts and not opinion.

    A world cup win would be the icing on the cake - done it all then.
     
  12. NorthernMonkey

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    I agree with Man Utd being a shambles Serg but he wasn't held at gunpoint when signing the contract. He simply went for the money but then found money won't buy him the end to a legacy he's clearly desperate for.

    Anyway, he's done as a footballer now. There's not a top club in Europe that will touch him for the money he'd clearly demand.
     
  13. Sergio Pinto III

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    He wasn't. I bet he wishes he had signed for Man City 18 months ago though. A few more trophies in his locker, maybe even a Champions League.
     

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