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Reserve team/u23s

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Hulmebantam, Jan 5, 2019.

  1. Hulmebantam

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    Should we reinstate a reserve team (or u23s) playing regularly next season?

    It seems a gap to me that we should close.

    Regular competive football for players not currently in the first team, or making a return from injury, is surely essential? Or is cost saving of the current situation worth continuing?
     
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  2. Campbell's soup

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    There’s been times over the years where I’ve enjoyed watching our reserves more than the first team - it’d be a ‘yes’ from me.
     
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  3. Storck

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    It should be left to the manager to decide
     
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  4. Hulmebantam

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    Nah.

    I think more decisions should be made after reviewing fan's opinions on here. :p
     
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  5. Faithful Bantam

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    Personally, I’d rather put all our resources into a smaller, high quality first team.
     
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  6. Storck

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    Until injuries hit
     
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  7. Inspector

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    Unless we could afford to run it effectively, then a no from me. Maybe something to consider if we get further up the pyramid.
     
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  8. Faithful Bantam

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    I’d take that risk.

    I look at what we have now. I think we need a better left back, better option than bruenker and probably another 3 first team ready players. For those 3 extras, I’d happily lose Wright, Jones, Reeves, Clare, Gibson, Isherwood, Devine, Hawkes.If we had injuries, you include the likes of Goldthorp and Maltby on the bench. But so be it - I’d rather have 3 quality first team players rather than 6 or 7 youngesters who have generally low levels of potential. I actually think having so many reduces their individual chances of success. You’re better off having 3 or 4 in a strong squad, with experience and leaders, to give them the best environment to develop in.

    Our first team squad has 36 players. Way too many. Reduce it to 25 - 2 for each position and 3 ‘academy graduates’. Improve the quality.

    I’d doubt that reserve team football is more competitive than practice matches or friendlies anyway. And they can always be arranged ad hoc if fringe players need a game
     
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  9. Storck

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    I counted up at over 40 but that was last week.

    As for getting rid of 6/7 to fund 3/4 I think 6/7 of the kids might just fund 1 or 2 at a push for first team players
     
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  10. SimonW

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    At your level is the reserves fit for purpose?

    I know at PL level it hasn't been deemed good enough or useful enough and none of the changes attempted have really changed that. in fact by changing to an u23 league which really limits senior player use its perhaps made it weaker because playing against players in your same age group doesn't challenge them. A good example is Paul Pogba at United, a big reason he didn't get more of a chance in his first spell at United was that the league was a reserve league back then, while he dominated the u18's as he was bigger, stronger and more athletic than his age group when he graduated to the reserves he struggled, he was still bigger, stronger and more athletic than most around him but seasoned pro's knew how to combat that and how to use the tools they had while Pogba didn't know how to really use his tools. So he wasn't ready for the reserves let alone the first team, he improved over the season and if he had stayed another season in the reserves and then some exposure to the first team would have made him a better player. It's a big reason why so many PL clubs now have a ridiculous amount of young players on loan as they need to be playing against senior player and it's also why the whole B team idea keeps coming up.

    So if its the same at your level its maybe just not worth it, they aren't going to be ready for 1st team matches playing u23 games, they may as well just be thrown into first-team duties
     
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  11. Faithful Bantam

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    Possibly so. Similar principle though.

    We have our biggest budget for 15 years and at least 10-12 players who aren’t first team ready. It’s madness. To have a development team, you need to do it seriously. Put real money into recruitment, scouting, coaching. You can’t just take random punts which is what we seemed to do. The difference between vision and reality in that space was the biggest failing of he who must not be named.
     
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  12. trevor

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    We should just concentrate on a good first team squad and get rid of everything else, In the past we have made good money selling kids but now that has changed and little to be made and because very few youngsters come through to the first team over the years when you take Academy and youth and reserve costs in to account each player that makes it costs a fortune maybe up to £250k or more with all the costs of development
    We could buy good players with that and get one every year
     
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  13. cragglesnaggle

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    The club has to make a decision to either bring a reserve team back or the young players have to go get game time on loan, they need minutes regardless. Can't keep players and not give them game time its only detrimental e.g. Devine
     
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    I heard that defenders were awful in the air as u23s was all tippy tippy. They need first team footy to toughen them up but also get used to other styles of play
     
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    I'd think Stefan will be running anything we could do to save money passed Julian,I agree we need to cut costs where possible but if the lads who are not making the bench can't get game time even at reserve level it won't be easy to step up into league one football.
     
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  16. Jay

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    I think it’s a good idea. Kai can play in it. It suit him.
     
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  17. trevor

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    Kind of agree Broncs on the players not playing needing game time, Maybe something like Brentford may be the answer as they have come out of reserve leagues and just play regular arranged friendlies with other clubs, Recently they have played Spurs, Palace, Arsenal etc clubs they would never get near in reserve leagues. We have plenty of good clubs nearish to do the same playing squad players and those returning from injury
     
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    I guess we have the former Manchester United U23 in Joe Riley, who has yet to make a positive impression on many of us. Rather than playing U-23 football would he have been better playing in a reserve team, which was a mix of players, seasoned pro’s/those returning from injury/seeking to rediscover form as well as other U23’s. So a hybrid mix, which arguably would be a more diverse experience and hopefully a more testing route to try and establish yourself in first team football.
     
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  19. Storck

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    What are the rules for the PL under 23 matches? I thought they were allowed a number of over age players.

    Edit they can field upto 4 over age players per game
     
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    Yeah its 1 overage keeper and 3 outfield, most teams don't generally bother fielding any unless they are returning from injury. The level just isn't good enough to have any real benefit for senior players. When it was a reserve league you would get a much bigger mix and while in theory changing the balance towards the academy players makes sense, in reality, its made it less of a stepping stone. The gulf between the first team level and 'reserves' is now so much bigger.

    As @Bigrod@Bigrod said a few years ago someone like Riley would have fitted in at Citys level much quicker as raw quality wise he is better than League 1 but raw quality is only part of it and if you haven't learned the mental and physical side of the game by 23 (if not by 21) reaching anywhere near their talent level becomes hard.

    English football does need to find a way that's acceptable to every one of giving players at u23 level a good level of football on a consistent basis especially with the incoming rules that will limit loans out
     
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