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Potential Wage Cap & City

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, May 22, 2020.

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Should a Wages Cap be introduced?

  1. Yes, great idea

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  2. No, clubs spend what they feel is appropriate

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  3. Not sure, need more information

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  1. Bigrod

    Bigrod Moderator
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    Looking at the ideas floating around, that there should be a fixed maximum budget of up to £1.25 million (I am sure the figure will change), then what are your views?

    There was an article in the Telegraph (by Katie Whyatt former WOAP writer) suggesting City’s budget was £2.5 million this season. So a very large reduction.

    Add to that the idea of a maximum of 20 professionals and the squad size is reducing to that of the 1960’s.

    We already have a thread which looks at players who have contracts beyond the end of June 2020, which would mean that City had potential to recruit players to fit into a more balanced squad, albeit with three and possibly four strikers on longer term Contracts, then little scope there for change.

    Would a ‘wage’ cap, include ‘bonuses’, as they would not be part of a fixed ‘salary’, not sure if regular match appearance/win/score/assist/clean sheet could be included, but end of season based on the performance of the whole team?

    Looking at the hypothetical wage cap figure, if all things were equal (and usually they are not) then £1.25 million divided by 20 players equals an annual salary of £62,500. Could players be provided with schemes such as ‘club houses’ (at peppercorn rents), essential transport (executive level Cars on a ‘lease‘ for the duration of their contract).

    I anticipate that clubs could become less vulnerable, to being unable to pay their way, if this Wage limit was introduced. Perhaps players and supporters being slightly closer than over recent years?

    Your thoughts.
     
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  2. Park bantam

    Park bantam Well-Known Member
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    I think having a level playing field is fair enough. However I am sure certain clubs will find a way to navigate around it.
    Hopefully it will encourage clubs to develop their own player and to pick up and develop players released from higher up
     
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    There will be players carried over from the previous season to take account of who still have contracts that could take up a large amount of a capped budget and would limit recruiting when said adding for the new season. There will have to be a transition to it should it be adopted.
     
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    Is it not fairer to have a specific percentage of the previous season's income?

    Why penalise a club with a higher income stream ??
     
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    I think this would be great for Bradford. Afterall, if you have the opportunity to go to Bradford or Barrow both paying about the same who would you choose?
     
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    Something has to be done to curb spending but do think the likes of salford with rich owners will just find a way around it and submit the right figures for the salaries and come under the cap. Plus what happens if teams break it? Are the punished in that season or allowed to be promoted and then punished?

    If it goes ahead we need the championship to agree to it too for me. Are we in danger of creating a second premier league if they are allowed to spend what they want on wages in comparison to leagues one and two? Let’s say they get relegated to league one and are allowed a year to adjust to salary cap they could quite easily blow everyone out of the water for wages and win league one easy. I know football is not always that simple but you get the idea
     
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    Level playing field?

    Nice idea.But pie in the sky.

    Plenty of chairmen/investors who can game the system if they want their club to progress.

    How are the likes of forest green rovers surviving in L2.

    Clubs have always been at the mercy of ambitious money men wanting to make a quick buck.
     
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    They always do, I know players in rugby league who were paid in the old 'brown bags' to get under the salary cap. A good idea in theory but do punish clubs who can afford to spend more. Also if it is 1.25 million that's considerably lower than the super league salary cap in rugby league. Should be upto 2 million or 50% of your income
     
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    Probably depends where you live.
     
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    I think the FFP rules just need tweaking and enforcing properly. Players/agents get paid far to much, and the knock on effect is higher ticket prices and higher tv subscriptions so all fans should want something which reduces costs throughout football. However a salary cap in just one league is a waste of time, imagine getting promoted on a wage bill of £1.25 million then teams above on say £6/7 million, it would be to big a gap to bridge and could just result in yo-yo type situations between league 1 and 2. Also it would be difficult to enforce it straight away on relegated teams giving them an advantage straight away.

    A sensible salary cap/FFP is the way forward and no doubt players wages will be effected because of Covid, but for me it has to be universal from FIFA. Make all leagues throughout the world comply, and make the punishments so severe that clubs would be scared to break them.

    It won’t happen though, most likely scenario is players take a hit in the pocket for a few years until economies recover then it’ll be like it never happened.
     
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  11. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!

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    Don't think you've thought it through.

    Wage caps and BCD doesn't make it a status thing it makes it a what do you bring to me thing. What do you offer really.

    What's your training facilities like?
    What plans do you have to improve off the pitch?
    Do you own the stadium ?
    How safe financial is the club?
    What does the club bring to the city?
    Is it easy for me to get sponsorship?
    How creative are you as a football club off the pitch?

    When you start going down this route the likes of Barrow, Harrogate become more attractive than Bradford.

    Mansfield, Salford will benefit from wage caps but won't want it as they have money.

    You have to remember Rhodes plan is based on audience and that audience won't be there next season(if next season happens) so this makes us a less attractive club to sign for.
     
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    The proposal is £1.25M for L2 & £2.5M for L1. The real difficulty would be L1 for Championship whilst PL parachute payments continue.
     
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    Lake District is an attractive back-drop, nice lifestyle.
     
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    The answer we have probably the best training facilities in the league
    The club is probably better off than most in the W league
    It brings plenty to the with big gates.
    Playing in front of big crowds gives city the edge over all for sponsorship
    There will be lots of players looking for clubs and we will be one of the most attractive in league two.
    So go back to the drawing board @Fordy117
     
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  15. Bigrod

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    What is the W League? :neutral:
     
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    I could say but would probably banned
     
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    Give it a rest Park, once you get past the size of the crowd there’s not a lot attractive about Bradford City compared to half dozen other clubs in league two next season.
     
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    I set it out big crowds a brilliant stadium for this level Good training to facilities. If there is
    Little differential In pay Bradford city could more than compete against the rest of league two
     
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    Yeah but Barrow is a real sh!thole unlike er, oh yeah, I see your point.
     
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    I agree. The EFL doesn't need to introduce a salary cap; it already has one for all clubs in Divs 1 and 2 based on a percentage of the club's income. I'd simply tighten up the rules, maybe reducing the level of the percentage, but more importantly severely restrict the amount which owners can provide the clubs over and above the cap.
     

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