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  1. Nottsy

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    Disgusting.
     
  2. Interested Bystander

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    Bargain compared to iFollow
     
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  3. JonButterfield

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    This.

    I read an article on the been where Neville ripped the idea to shreds.

    They live in a different dimension to the rest of us, I'm afraid, consumed by greed.
     
  4. Storck

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    Surely they will do some sort of refunds like they did for last season
     
  5. SimonW

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    I don't know about other clubs but United cancelled the renewal deadline so you didn't have to pay for your season ticket but wouldn't lose it. And anyone who did pay they have promised refunds for any match played in a closed stadium or any match where they aren't given a ticket due to a partial open stadium. Admittedly United may be an outlier as apparently, Woodward was apparently pushing for the PPV price to be closer to £5 and also wanted season ticket holders to get it for free but all the other clubs wanted £15 and no free access so its possible the others have kept the renewal date and won't return the money but I would be surprised if they aren't all refunduing
     
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    You charge £10 a game to watch LEAGUE 2 football and with iFollows AWFUL production values. When you compare League 2 per match price for season tickets to the PL one £5 more and getting better coverage for it is hardly out sync with the EFL. The only people losing out are those who wouldn't go to matches anyway and they wouldn't have got to see the matches anyway if COVID wasn't happening.

    And this is likely to help the likes of City out. First of all it makes the £10 a match iFollow fee that might put casual fans buying a game seem better value and it might offset some of the massive losses clubs are making which might make it a little easier for them to give to an EFL bailout
     
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  7. Interested Bystander

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    A bit of fact checking needed
     
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    My opinion on how the clubs should have operated? In a single, unilaterally agreed manner. There is no excuse for the Premier League to even begin discussing charging for games on a PPV basis WITHOUT the basics in place. We can pretend there is a good reason that the clubs aren't all operating in the same manner, but I think that's a fundamental that needs to be in place long before this announcement.

    The perfect customer for the Premier League is one that sees a grossly overpriced offer that is at heart unfair and thinks it's so great they're prepared to defend the scheme (I say unfair because it's only the games NOT scheduled to be broadcast that will be PPV - and if that's evenly spread across all clubs (fans) in the Premier League, I'll apologise right now and doff my cap because I haven't double-checked it, but I'd be STUNNED if that's the case).

    But what's more, the idea it might be acceptable value is laughable. Comparing it to League Two clubs charging £10 a game (to non-season ticket holders) just isn't on. Everybody in England knows the situation with regards how badly clubs are struggling; asking the government for bail outs as it's their fault we can't attend games, asking the Premier League for assistance that it isn't willing to offer, they're not doing that for shits and giggles. It's the future of clubs on the line.

    Meanwhile, in the Premier League? £1 billion spent on signings - not necessities - but luxuries. All while laying off staff, furloughing staff, receiving government loans, and, per the Newcastle United Supporter's Trust, charging fans for games they aren't going to.

    It's an utter, utter disgrace.

    The LEAST that can be said for this season of turmoil is that transfer fees should have been prohibited, but it wouldn't make any difference; that money wouldn't have been forthcoming for any other reason, including fans, staff, or the benefit of the English football league (leave the initials EFL out of that while considering the level of greed).

    I think the acceptance comes from not being surprised/being totally used to the PL acting in this manner; but that doesn't make it right, and frankly I think it's bizarre to defend it.

    Guess we won't be agreeing on this one! :OO:
     
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    I’m sure the fans of said clubs will pay, after all PL clubs season ticket holders can’t watch games like we can so they’ll be looking to exploit that. All businesses try milk their customers for every penny, sadly football is so commercial now it’s just the way it is. I’d rather pay £25 to watch my club play than Man Utd or anyone else play some mid table fodder for even a fiver so I won’t be bothering. I have a Sky sports subscription already, there’s loads of football every week I don’t need it so much that I’d pay that. It’s nothing like boxing where you pay for a super fight with months of anticipation. After Covid it won’t catch on imo, so much football PPV just isn’t very appealing when you will just be able to watch the same team most likely play the week after on Sky main event or BT sport.
     
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    I remember in the earlier days of the Premier League they did something similar. You could buy a season ticket which would allow you to watch an extra 30 matches or so. It lasted a few seasons and then died a death.
     
  11. Storck

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    The Premier league are getting a lot better at blocking IPTV. Forcing people to use VPNs so making it more complicated
     
  12. Interested Bystander

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    Exactly
     
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    That wasn’t actually the PL. The broadcasters were still having to hand over the same amount they did from people buying a single match. Sky and some of the cable companies offered a package as a loss leader to encourage sports package subscriptions (which you needed to take the deal up). NTL at once point were charging about £30 a season

    Anyone running a Random VPN, especially one run by pirates is just asking for trouble. So many VPN's out there deploy malicious payloads or are gathering data on you thus not providing the protection they are supposed to be. If people are using a VPN they should make sure it’s a legit well respected one
     
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    I currently use Cyber Ghost which I've found to be one of the best out there and very cheap. I tend to sign up for 18 month deals then jump to a new one but I might just stick with this one very impressive.
     
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    Cyberghost were OK although they do keep logs which means in the event of a court order they would have to hand over all the data on you. They were sold however a couple of years ago to the Israeli firm Kape who used to be called Crossrider. Crossrider have a history of deploying low level malicious software with their apps and also doing browser hijacks
     
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    Maybe i will jump ship when the deal runs out then, lol.
     
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    Premier League clubs likely to scrap pay-per-view model for second lockdown period
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54824860

    Was never going to last, as I said in my previous post there is so much football on all the time people will happily just skip a match or two, unlike boxing or MMA which are far rarer.
     
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  18. Interested Bystander

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    I admit to a vested interest but ripping off streams, software etc is just theft on a par with shoplifting, the difference as you rightly point out is money often goes to organised crime.
     
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    Not really the same, hence why piracy is a civil case, not a criminal one. Shoplifting results in a store losing a product so they have actually lost something other than just a potential sale, piracy is a copy being made so the retailer has actually lost nothing tangible.

    And that's where there is a bit of a grey area with piracy. Most pirated content that's consumed the consumer would not have bought the item so you make £0 from them but if they couldn't pirate you would still make £0. In fact that piracy can be a major benefit. For example, if I was to put together a top 10 movie list on it you would most likely find Donnie Darko, Before Sunrise and 500 Days of Summer. 3 movies that I didn't see in the cinema (DD as it got a really limited release that didn't air at my local cinema, Before Sunrise as the trailer made it seem like a soppy romantic movie and 500 Days of summer a cliched Rom-Com). I only ended up seeing them after recommendations but I wasn't about to buy a DVD copy for something I really didn't think I would enjoy so I pirated them. I've since bought DD on DVD, the Directors Cut DVD, the Bluray and then Digital, Before Sunrise I've bought the DVD, Bluray and digital as well as going to the cinema to watch the sequels before Sunset and before midnight which I've also bought on multiple formats AND with 500 Days I've bought on multiple formats AND bought the soundtrack. Piracy has hence generated a lot of money from me for the movies that I wouldn't have.

    The problem is more when you get people who would buy it choose not to so as to save money. That's a smaller group but does actually seem to be rising as getting pirated content has got easier. Some of these PPV matches based on the average the PL released are selling less tickets than they would have sold if grounds were open despite being at least half the price if not more when really they should be selling more as travel distance and ground capacity isn't a restriction. So there are people who would normally have paid who are choosing not to but I highly doubt they aren't watching the match.
     
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    I'll be paying for it using part of the ST refund which is credited after every missed home game. Even our lowest cost Adult ST @ £299 covers the cost.
    TBF if there more "ghost games" where we're away, I'd be happy to pay for them too
     
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