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Legislate for the creation of an independent regulator for football

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Bigrod, Aug 27, 2019.

  1. Bigrod

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    Signed the petition & you??
     
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    Would that mean leaving FIFA ? Isn’t it against FIFA rules to have a governing body appointment by government ?
     
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    You are going to have the same issues no matter who oversees it. It’s a vicious circle for owners, if they spend in a responsible way they get the fans on their back which makes their ownership difficult, fans then start to protest so don’t turn up or don’t buy merchandise and the newest thing with social media is for fans to start targeting sponsors, sponsors don’t like being linked to any kind of protest so they will often then look to get out at first chance (some of your fans did this last season and you lost a handful of sponsors, were they pulling anyway or did it have an impact who knows). And if they do still stand up in the face of this they then find themselves facing an uphill struggle against those who do overspend so that puts more pressure on throwing money at it

    All that means changing just one part is doomed to fail. It needs every party to accept the part they play and needs a mentality change from all of them as that is the only way anything changes
     
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  5. Bigrod

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    More Background information.

    We petition HMG to legislate for the creation of an independent regulator for football and subsequently to oversee the implementation of such a body.

    We assert that the finances and administration of football are in crisis, that self-regulation has failed and that, without a new independent body, there is a serious risk that clubs will begin to fold.

    A year on from the government’s refusal of an independent regulator, the situation for clubs has deteriorated to the extent that we believe the decision needs review.

    A year on from the government’s refusal of an independent regulator, the situation for football clubs, especially in the lower leagues, has deteriorated to the extent that we believe the decision needs reviewing.

    – Over 10% of EFL clubs failed to pay their players on time at least once in the 2018/19 season.
    – On 29th July 2019, Bury FC were prevented by the EFL from starting the season, due to issues surrounding the takeover of the club in December 2018. The current owner has run the club for over six months without satisfying the criteria for the EFL’s own Owners and Directors test.
    – In April, Bolton Wanderers FC were also unable to complete their fixtures for the 2018/19 season as the ownership of Ken Anderson collapsed. The club’s players went five months without being paid. Mr Anderson himself had been approved by the EFL despite being previously barred from running any UK company for eight years after eight of his former companies went bust.

    These are just a few examples of the increasingly widespread financial problems in football as the gap between the richest clubs at the top of the Premier League and the rest of the game grows ever larger.

    The EFL, one of the bodies which should be taking responsibility for resolving the situation appears incapable of grasping the scale of the problem, let alone addressing it, and continues
    to insist it is nothing but a ‘competition organiser’.

    There is little to suggest a desire for owner-led reform either. Instead, a small number of larger clubs have mooted a breakaway league, while others seek loopholes on spending limits to try and reach the Premier League. (Astoundingly – and with complete disregard for the long-term future of their teams – club owners recently approved a proposal to allow the sale-and-leaseback of their own grounds to related parties to help them circumvent the very Financial Fair Play rules designed to protect clubs from unsustainable spending.)

    The game is in the grips of a Wild West mentality, with club owners – many of whom have no long-term connection to the communities in which their clubs are based – pursuing reckless spending that threatens the very existence of football clubs.

    The bodies tasked with safeguarding the future of the nation’s favourite sport – the FA, the EFL and the Premier League – stand uselessly by, hobbled by the inability or unwillingness of club owners to agree on the need for collective action to restore some sanity to the sport and ensure that clubs, treasured community assets, are preserved for generations to come.

    Football needs to hold up its hands and admit it has lost control. Self-regulation has failed in football.

    The future of the game depends on urgent government action. We, the undersigned, urge you to take it.
     
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    They missed the bit out regarding FIFA repercussions if it went ahead.
     
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    We didn't lose the sponsors because of protests, we lost them because they had had enough of Edin Rahic.
     
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  8. Bigrod

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    The wording suggests that legislation is passed to have an Independent Regulator, so apart from Government, the Regulator would not be part of a government body or even a quango. So I would assume that it would satisfy FIFA’s requirements?
     
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    So who would appoint it?
     
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    This was Rahic's fault, not the fans.
     
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    There already is an Independent Football Ombudsman, who do a reasonable job, within their remit. https://www.theifo.co.uk/ The Independent Football Ombudsman (IFO) has been established by the football authorities (The Football Association, The Premier League, and The English Football League), to investigate complaints that have not been resolved by these bodies.
    However it is limited in what it can do in my experience. It has few powers to enforce an organisation to change.

    To have full independence from the Football Authorities, it would be the Government. This wording seems to encapsulate the system, ‘An ombudsman is usually appointed by government or by parliament, but with a significant degree of independence. Their role is to represent the interests of the public by investigating and addressing complaints or a violation of rights’.

    So in the first instance the Government, it could include a committee to advise the Government in which I would assume a number of interested parties could be involved, but must have a significant involvement of Supporters organisations.
     
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    As the IFO is controlled by the football authorities that sits within the football family. What is being suggested is a government appointed ombudsman which wouldn’t and this is why FIFA would class it as government interference which could swiftly lead to suspension/threat of suspension of clubs and national teams
     
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    I suppose that I struggle to see how it is Government interference if it is to appoint an Independent regulator. Unless there was gross unprofessional behaviour by the regulator, and they operated within their remit, then my view would be that they would be free of Government ‘interference’. The Governments role would be restricted to the establishment of the office and possibly be involved in the initial appointment. Can you provide the direct link with the precise FIFA wording?
     
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    See this is the attitude with fans that I'm getting at. You can blame Rahic but it wasn't Rahic who started lobbying sponsors. Sponsors generally don't care how a football club is performing or how its being run, they only care when they think it might damage their bottom line (after all how many convicted drugs cheats come back from their ban and because people forget about it they get loads of big sponsor deals, if companies had morals they wouldn't sponsor them). It may not have been the only factor but I would be surprised if it wasn't a factor as we live in an age where companies are terrified of social media campaigns and the traditional media campaigns they usually cause.

    As a general collective of football fans we have to own what negative parts we do play that lead to these situations, as long as we keep putting the blame on the authorities and the owners only while they shift the blame away from themselves nothing can improve as it needs all the parts moving in the same direction.
     
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    You're wrong on this particular one, its pretty much known round these parts. He had been upsetting the sponsors for some time, making demands and generally being a Twit. We don't have a queue of sponsors in Bradford waiting to part with their hard earned money, i'm not sure Rahic understood how important it was to keep a good relationship with local businesses, some who had been involved with the club over a large number of years.
     
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    I’ll have a dig. The interference would be the government establishing it as I presume it would have power over the FA/leagues
     
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    Which sponsors were lobbied by fans? I admit I didn’t follow all the ins and outs but targeting sponsors I did miss
     
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    I'm not offering you my own personal opinion on the topic, I'm telling you what I believe to be fact. Rahic wasn't happy with the sponsorship deal, and tried to negotiate more money on our behalf which then lead to a few disagreements behind the scenes. This has been confirmed from reliable sources within the club and took place BEFORE any scheduled protests.
     
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    The wording is vague

    (c) to be independent and avoid any form of political interference;
     
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    Specifically, I don't know as I obviously wasn't part of it. I just saw the tweets organising it. I would imagine based on other such campaigns it was every single sponsor they could get contact details
     
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