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Injuries

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Park bantam, Nov 24, 2020.

  1. Park bantam

    Park bantam Regular Starter

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    For the last three seasons we have been blighted by way above average soft tissue injuries. We had very much less under Allamby.
    Something in training and welfare is not right you can not win matches with 5 6 or 7 first team players missing.
    Whatever happens this season I hope an analysis is carried out to improve on this record
     
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  2. Dennis

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    I agree. Something isn't right. Football is a contact sport and injuries picked up during a game are to be expected. There's no getting away from that unless the players stop tackling. (Yes, I know some have already done that!). But the frequency we have of muscle strains, tight hamstrings and other soft tissue 'injuries' suggests something wrong in the way the players are conditioned and prepared prior to the game. As you say, Allenby seemed to prepare the squad better than currently and I don't recall as many strains and the like when he was here. SMc needs to take a hard look at how the squad is being prepared and make some improvements.

    The situation isn't helped by SMc's preference for a small squad. There's less resilience in the squad if there aren't the players to step in for injuries. That was SMc's call and little that can be done at this stage.
     
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  3. bailiff bridge bantam

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    Didn’t Kiwomya mention there immediate pre kick off routine the other week.Said they just ambled around while other teams did the fast rope ladder thing or something similar.Dont know Kiwomya conditioning background but he was a footballer so maybe something in it.
     
  4. simons (woking bantam)

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    I think we do need to remember this is also having an impact on the very wealthy Premier League clubs - with all their medical staff and facilities. I am not in a position to comment on what preparation City have put in place, but as with most things at our club I would not be surprised if it is the bare minimum :rolleyes:
     
  5. Bronco

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    In April 2019, Kiwomya joined EFL Championship club Leeds United as a coach for their Development Hub for elite player development scholarship.

    He was previously at Huddersfiel Town : "Kiwomya was notably employed by Huddersfield Town as head performance coach in 2010 in this role Huddersfield went on to achieve a 43-game unbeaten run".
    Possibly too expensive for us ?.
     
  6. Bronco

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    Not having a go @simons (woking bantam)@simons (woking bantam) but my heart bleeds for those poor Premier League Clubs.
     
  7. Dennis

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    I usually switch off when AK is commentating! But as you say, he was a professional footballer and should have a good understanding of how the team should be prepared immediately prior to the game. I guess that has some bearing on how players deal with these things during a game.

    My point is also a little wider than that in that much of the preparatory work is conducted in the run-up to the game and it seems to be a weakness for us. I remember Gary Thompson who was hardly a spring chicken praising the work of Allenby did with him in the period before a game on his overall conditioning to prevent muscle strain and hamstring issues occurring during a game. Maybe SMc needs to have a look at the stats on non-contact injuries and see whether we can do things better including as AK infers, in the warm-up period.
     
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  8. simons (woking bantam)

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    I bet it does! ;)
    Point I was trying to make is not that I have sympathy for those rich buggers but that money, medical facilities etc do not seem be able to prevent the vast increase in soft tissue, muscle injuries that are occurring in the game
     
  9. Interested Bystander

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    The ones 99% of the EFL are holding the begging bowl out to ?
     
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  10. Bronco

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    With the virus the amount of games all clubs are playing week in week out are more than challenging then there are the European games, I'm sure it's demanding for the top clubs even with large squads.
     
  11. Bronco

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    I stil stand by my comment, poor old Premier Clubs.
     
  12. wetherbywhaler

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    I make the following based on what I see at our games and specially based on Salford last week.
    1. SM has said from the start he wanted a smaller squad than before but with cover for all positions. That is what he has so complaining about injuries is not really valid, especially if those coming in are tailored to a formation which suits them, i.e. never play BRE in anything less than a back four with two raiding full backs not wing backs. Bolton made that work against Salford and SM must have seen it be a success (or not). The real issue is the ones coming in.
    2. In season 12/13 our game against Northampton at Wembley was our 64th from memory. We have so far played around 20. The difference to me is Nick Allemby who tailored things to circumstances and the opposition. Does that happen now?, I don't know other than what I see. Equally our players get these injuries which seem to take an age to clear up, e.g. Novak, is that an age thing?
    3. Comment has been passed about warm up. To my uneducated eye it is very low key and I watched Salford with interest. I arrived at 2.00 pm and the 2 keepers and coach were already out, one keeper on the penalty spot, other two guys on the touch line at halfway. Balls were fired to both keepers who were not allowed to catch, only control on chest, thigh or foot for 5 minutes. They then moved to the goal where shots both bounced in front and straight volley were done for another 5 minutes. They then had to shot stop on the near post with full hits and I mean hard for 5 minutes. By then the rest of the squad had done full running warm ups and did a full10 minutes shooting practice, I didn't tally it all but roughly 75% either hit the net or were saved. When the squad left the pitch the fitness guy kept the subs back for another 5 minutes running and stretching.
    Compare this. Our GKs emerge at 2.25 and jog across the pitch twice before the coach arrives. There is no fierce warm up, most looked to be gentle shots on the volley straight at the keeper. ROD's part appeared fringe. When the squad appeared the focus seemed to be on keep ball and only towards the end (presumably with still cool muscles) was there any serious sprinting. Shooting in was mostly against Hornby and pricked by Salford's efforts I actually counted. Result 75% failed to hit the target let alone be saved.
    4. Half Time, our subs ambled out, kicked a ball around for 5 minutes then spent the rest talking or watching the Salford subs go through another fierce sprinting and stretching session with the coach. There was no visible supervision of our players.

    Finally a point on tactics. In my very humble opinion 3-5-2 is not for us. Wood, Bryce and Tyler are attacking full backs not wing backs and this is spoiling Wood in particular. Equally if we must play BRE it has to be a back four and finally, as suggested by a contribution on WOAP, we need players who get the SM message not goldfish who instantly forget what they've been told.

    Feel better for that, not there tonight but hope for a turn round including some better fortune. In my view the disallowed goal against Colchester, the 9 man performance at FGR and the missed pen at Bolton have cost us 5 and possibly 7 points. Win tonight and Saturday with the financial rewards that may bring and players back, we might start to progress. Loose and ....
     
  13. Dennis

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    I agree with most of that. Most if not all of the pre-match and half time warm ups can be improved by better management of the situation and doesn't require any extra resources. I've obviously seen no live football this season, but did last season and the change in pre-match warm-ups from when SMc joined was noticable. And it wasn't a positive change from Bowyer's and particularly Hopkin's approaches and those of many opposition teams. It shouldn't require resources to improve things. It's simply a matter for SMc and Black to recognise the situation and improve how these things are currently organised. We currently look like a bunch of amateurs. It could be changed tonight ... but I doubt it will.

    I really believe that SMc got his squad structure badly wrong - in size, in balance and in personnel. With some headroom in the salary cap not being fully utilised and obvious gaps in the squad structure, SMc has questions to answer imo. Why that wasn't done more openly from within the club is surprising. Whether there has be a mindset change by SMc, whether there are funds available and whether SMc can attract better quality players into the club in January will together define our season. Fail on any of them and we'll probably be scratching around with the other relegation chickens for the rest of the season. Get some new blood and better quality into VP and we have a strong chnce of stopping the rot and finishing the season in a much better position than now. Regrettably, I'm not hopeful.
     
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    Interesting observations by RO and humbly expressed or not, constructive and enlightening.
     
  15. How

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    When we “scout” players do we look a previous injury records and history? All available and all done by the better prepared sides than us?
     
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    Costs money Den. Something we just don't do.
     
  17. Dennis

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    Improving the pre-match and half-time warm ups shouldn't cost money but recruiting another Allenby might well.

    The other way to look at it, JR, is that having too many of your experienced players on the physio's treatment table is costing us plenty of points and those lost points will convert to lost money at some stage.
     
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    And costing them money in wages on the treatment table all the time
     
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    AK and Jamie talk about it nearly every match. Our pre match, is nothing compared to the oppp.
    Who is our conditioning/fitness coach? I know we struggle to find suitable forwards/wingers, but surely getting a fitness coach to the club can't be hard. Especially with all the gyms closed at the moment!
     
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  20. Andy10

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    Another area where it’s amateur hour. I play Saturday football and we played Horsforth St Margaret’s in preseason, who are one level below semi pro/county football, and I was in awe of their warm up routine, streets ahead of City. If an amateur side can be doing more complex/rigorous warm ups then why can’t we? We seem inadequate in every department of the whole club and the fitness and injury record proves that, you only have to look down the road at Leeds to show how having superior fitness and sports science can reap serious rewards.
     

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