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Even Bowyer can see it!

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bigrod, Jan 13, 2020.

  1. Bigrod

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    Article in the T&A concludes with Bowyer commenting, “We seemed to give teams a head-start on the road and then we dominate possession. We had 60 per cent possession without hurting them.

    “It’s all right passing it sideways and backwards but you’ve got to go forwards. I’m afraid we didn’t do enough of that and it's very disappointing”. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/18155418.bradford-city-bowyer-wants-instant-pick-me-up-defeat/

    So is it a failure on the training ground? Do we need someone to assist Bowyer with coaching?

    Is it a mindset amongst the players? Do they need help from someone like a sports psychologist.

    My view is that with nine central midfielders we have too much mediocrity. It would be very difficult to change things at this stage of the season, but in the longer term then we need to do something.

    Perhaps ‘lose the slot’ of one of the these midfielders and employ additional coaching staff.

    From what I have heard the players were kept back after the game on Saturday and there was a frank discussion about the nature of the defeat! However having ‘hard’ words, does not necessarily equate to a dramatic change on the field.
     
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  2. Bronco

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    Reading that it suggests to me the players train with regards a certain way of playing then don't apply it in game time, you can practice 7 days a week but it means nothing if it's not followed up in a competitive game, and reading this comment it's down to the players :
    “It’s all right passing it sideways and backwards but you’ve got to go forwards. I’m afraid we didn’t do enough of that and it's very disappointing”.
     
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  3. Chad

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    Palmer and Reeves (especially the invisible Palmer) just don't roam with the ball enough.

    We can't play a 2 man midfield with them because they're so negative and lack physicality so we get overrun and create nothing
     
  4. Jordan

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    Just think our players don't back themselves creatively. How often do we prat about with it down the flanks before getting a ball in when our forwards are by that point double marked? We seem to love to pass it along the line from full back to full back and hope an opening will create itself.
     
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  5. Chad

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    Also get Drury out. He couldn't teach a duck to float
     
  6. Stafford Bantam

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    I guarantee that if we had a Gary Jones type player on the pitch we wouldn't spend nearly all our time passing it sideways and backwards.
     
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  7. Dubois

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    I saw his comments and was amazed. Bowyer sounds like a fan rather than the man in charge of how we play.
     
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  8. Fordy117

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    Ever since Reeves got back in to the team this has got worst.

    Him and Palmer just go sideways.

    Reeves is the worst because he has the ability but just seems he is doing a Payne on us and will wave goodbye. Passing time.
     
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  9. bantam2708

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    It's been the same all season. Backwards, backwards, sideways, hoof.

    Pritchard's goal at VP against Crawley was a clear example that this group of players are capable of passing through the thirds and creating good chances. They're just not allowed the regular freedom to do so.

    Just because he knows what the problem is doesn't mean he knows how to fix it either.
     
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    I wish he was positive as Payne was, Payne's fault was he wanted to do everything and take everyone on! Reeves positive is that he has the same hair as Payne did
     
  11. Fordy117

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    Reeves drops deep. Collects the ball off the defenders then passes it 5 yards. Runs gets the ball ball and passes it 5 yards.

    Since he came back in we have been more negative but he's frustrating because he has the ability to be able to control a game, spread play and drive us forward but he seems unwilling to do that for whatever reason.
     
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  12. WilsdenBantam

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    He needs a more capable number 2 imo, plus we need a proper coaching set up, it all feels like it’s done on the cheap and it’s showing on the pitch.

    Play Reeves, Palmer and Taylor together and it’s what you’ll get though, even if you have the best intentions in your head. They have no creativity between them.
     
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  13. The Evidence

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    Bang on
     
  14. Fordy117

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    That's down to the manager that. Not wanting players to express themselves. It's not the players.
     
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    Bowyer is full of it.

    Am I right in thinking Bowyer was talking about getting players in with pace and height in the summer but we end up with Palmer and Taylor.

    Just think Bowyer is done, old school mindset that is struggling in the modern game that moves quickly.

    Bowyer has been a poor manager for Bradford City.
     
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    We can criticise Reeves and Palmer till the "cows come home" but one of our biggest problems is our lack of movement off the ball. If you watch both of them closely they are both looking to play a forward ball. Yet you see other teams dragging our defenders around and creating space for their midfield players.
    If there is no option for them to pass the ball forward they should carry the ball. All of a sudden Nicky Law looks he would have been a good option.
    Another problem we now have is Ben Richards-Everton. At the start of the season I thought I thought, not before time we have a CB that won't be bullied. Now he seems to think he is a footballing CB (which he isn't) and is starting to look a soft touch.
     
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  17. Onside

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    Well this is an astonishing revelation! The manager can see exactly what we are seeing. The solution is??? I agree with most on here, lack of movement I have seen that myself nobody makes themselves available. Now I think that is more difficult to coach, being the right space to accept the ball, “footballers brain” some have it naturally the best one I have seen at VP was Robbie Blake but there were others.

    We are desperate for midfielder who can not only command and dictate play, but tell players where to go.
     
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  18. Biker

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    We are currently saddled with a midfield that is small, weak, doesn’t create, and doesn’t score. So what is the point of them.

    This is the route of our problems, midfield, we desperately need a quality influential midfielder who can get the team going forward and doesn’t mind being a nasty bugger.
     
  19. Dennis

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    If Bowyer can see it then nobody is better placed to sort it out. If he can't sort it out then the fears of many will be realised.

    And there's an entire thread dedicated to how to resolve that!
     
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  20. Fordy117

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    I would agree but Reeves and Palmer don't even look up to see what's on.

    What can't they run with the ball either?

    Just think both are just not pulling their weight.

    Neither control a game and frankly are disappointing.
     
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