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Donald Trump

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Zonnebloem, May 30, 2024.

  1. Zonnebloem

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    Trunp found guilty on all 34 counts.

    Maybe now move onto the bigger stuff about hiding state secret documents, inciting an insurrection and trying to pervert election results.
     
  2. Storck

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    Has he got any other cases due before the election or has he managed to delay the others?
     
  3. Zonnebloem

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    All other cases are due after election day, and appeal of this case will probably fall after election day.
    Yet, inexplicably, millions of Americans will vote for him
    :rolleyes:
     
  4. Craven Cottager

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    It's hardly inexplicable when half the country is populated by the walking dead!
     
  5. Tennesseebantam

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    Almost equalled Arbroath vs Bon Accord :devil:
    NYC Bragg 34 - 0 Orange pinnichio.

    Anyway, in Rikers, they’re already reusing the “the future’s bright, the future’s orange” slogan.
     
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  7. Zonnebloem

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    British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read
    Nate White

    “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

    A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

    Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

    Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

    There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

    And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

    So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

    • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

    • You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

    This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

    And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a Twit was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

    #Donald Trump
     
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  8. Storck

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    Just can not see the Judge sending him to prison. How would the secret service guard him behind bars? It would be a nightmare
     
  9. Frank Castle

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    It's all bolllocks. Perfectly planned out and scripted to divide society and keep people distracted from what is really going on. Seriously, Trump often talks about 'Fake News', but it's all fake news.
     
  10. Rogered Tart

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    Can't sum it up better than this. Don't matter who wins, it's just another cheek of the same arse. Can't deny Trump has the morals of a sewer rat but then the others are the same they just hide it better. Same with this country I see Alistair Campbell regularly and only again the other day on social media trying to climb the moral high horse when the bloke should have been serving prison time along with his partner in crime Blair. But for some reason people on the left go for folk like Johnson, who I agree I'd happily punch his fat face in but he's no worse than the likes of the aforementioned Campbell and Blair.
    Sod the lot of them.
     
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  11. Idlebantam

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    Strange character is old Trumpy, but this stinks of a Democratic led sham to try and stop him getting back in the White House.

    I think it will backfire and I still actually think Trumpy will win the race to be the next President.
     
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  12. Botswana Bantam

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    He broke the law mate. Pretty simple. Comments like yours are unhelpful. We can argue if other people get away with things because of privilege but if someone breaks the blame then there should be consequences.

     
  13. Idlebantam

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    Why are my comments unhelpful?

    It's my honest opinion, you are entitled to yours.
     
  14. Botswana Bantam

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    "Democratic led sham"? How so?
     
  15. Idlebantam

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    Democratic city he was tried in. Democratic leaning judge, no doubt hand picked Democratic jury.

    The Democrats are scared stiff of losing to Trump, and so they should be with sleepy Joe at the helm who struggles to string more than one unscripted sentence together.

    Like I say, my opinion, not sure who my comments are unhelpful to?
     
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  16. SimonW

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    Trumps no different to politicians anywhere really no matter how much other countries might want to take the high ground with him. Sadly the general public is all countries are generally stupid brain dead sheep who get their party, often influenced by their parents (Just look at an average 20 something Labour Supporter and their hatred of Thatcher despite not being born until after she lost power, that's not coming from them, its coming from their parents and their parents opinion is often coming from their parents) and will never change that party as they simply don't care about the actual policies any party has, even if the policy of the party is is akin to Turkeys voting for Christmas they will still vote for that party. Nothing will ever be the fault of the party they support, just look at things like austerity, Labour supporters will never accept that a big cause of that was Blair and Brown operating on basically a policy of 'Bankrupt the country for short term praise because by the time it bites we won't be in power', it is simply all the tories fault and when Labour get in as seems likely the Tories will do the same thing over their mistakes.

    And as people largely vote on legacy and not policy Politicians lean into that, they say what they know their supporters will grasp onto. Trumps actually the perfect example of this, before he ran for office his political beliefs were very central on the American Political spectrum, he might have leaned slightly towards the republican side but he certainly wasn't the hardline republican he leaned into when he became a candidate. A good example is liable laws and free speech, in the US free speech hinders their liable laws, you can almost say anything about a person because to be held liable the person being defamed has to prove not only that what was said is false, that the person saying its knew it was false and then prove it did them financial damage. In the UK the burden is on the person making the claim to prove that what they are saying is true, its a better system because proving you didn't do something is much harder than proving someone did something, after all if you didn't do something there is naturally a lack of evidence, let alone then being able to prove that the person knew it was false. And damage caused doesn't always carry an immediate and obvious financial loss. Trump the businessman hated the US liable laws, as a well known Businessman he was invited on TV all the time time to discuss political things just as we see well known business people here invited on shows like Question Time and he would be scathing of US libel laws and would hold ours up a perfect system. Trump the politician though has leaned into the US liable laws he previously hated as doing so helps his political career, he can basically say what he wants about anyone and as long as its the right target it makes him a hero to his target demo
     
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  17. SimonW

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    TBH any trial of a political figure is going to be suspect. Depending on which party the person is from and where the trial takes place you simply won't get a fair trail as people will have their minds made up. A Jury in a Blue state is no matter how much you try and select a balanced Jury will end up leaning to the dems and a a Jury in a Red state will lean to the reps. Trump will almost certainly always lose in a Blue State and win in a Red state and the reverse if Biden was facing charges
     
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    Completely agree with the general gist of this. Too many people with a vested interest follow blindly without ever engaging in thoughtful debate.
     
  19. Botswana Bantam

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    He was tried and convicted by a jury of his peers in the state where the crime was committed.

    The fact you don't know how juries are selected in the US probably means you shouldn't comment on their potential lack of fairness. Which brings me to the point that your comments are unhelpful, because they are misleading.
     
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    The man has no class, no humility and certainly no admission of his own wrongdoings.
     

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