Dmitry

Yeah.

I don't know though.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I can't imagine he's getting bombarded with the same information we are, even though he probably has access to the same information if he sought it out.

I think it's a little bit easy to criticise him, and perhaps that easy criticism is fair, but what I don't like about it is the idea we have to punish every Russian civilian, which is basically what's happening.

I might be wrong, but I just don't think it's a good thing.

 

Full of excuses, civilians being bombed is civilians being bombed simple as that. I didn’t want to go there and tried being diplomatic but here we are, the difference is because it’s a white European country being attacked, if Russia attacked somewhere like Iran there wouldn’t be the outcry to let refugees in nor censor anyone pro Putin dress it up anyway you want.

Another part of the problem, you take western mainstream media as gospel just as someone like Dimitry does Russian media. You say Russians should condemn their leadership, but don’t of our own it’s hypocritical. Putin is an evil despot but in a nationalistic propaganda filled country like Russia it makes far more sense for the average Russian to believe their tale even if they have access to western media it doesn’t mean they Will believe it anymore than we would Russian media. Someone can never be try empathetic until they can see all sides, even those they feel are in the wrong, the one eyed views on here are bonkers many probably voted for the likes of Blair and Cameron and said nothing while they allowed bombs to fall on innocent civilians.

 

The banning comment was aimed at the general feel of the thread rather than yourself. All invasions should be illegal, it’s another one of those terms that people like yourself make yourself feel comfortable with backing countries that bomb civilians in the name of peace. When did the UN become god.

 

You are right….. Dictators of various political leanings use brainwashing to fool their citizens.

 

He’s no need to protest , his move should be DONT spout Putins propaganda. That’s all, he wasn’t forced to promote it was he?

 

His country is bombing maternity units and he is bleating about I follow access.

Disgusting if you ask me, please ban him if a member here and evidence of being pro putin.

His evil leader has brought this on his own country, football is trivial compared to what is going on and the sanctions are fully deserved and necessary so the Russian people are left in no doubt what the rest of the world thinks.

 

I don’t know Kev, I’ve heard talks of people being forced to go watch Putins talk today so who knows what goes on. If I’m honest I’ve only seen one tweet put on here, whilst I disagree with it I don’t see him sprouting a propaganda campaign although maybe there’s a lot more I haven’t seen. As I’ve said in another reply to someone else, Russians are nationalistic always have been, they’ll believe their media over ours just as if not more so than we believe western media over theirs.

All I know is I don’t go blaming Russian civilians for this, no more than I blame those who voted for Blair for what happened in Iraq or those who voted for that idiot Trump when a bunch of his followers raided the Capitol building.

We’re all civilians and sometimes need to take a step back and show a more understanding and empathetic view to those from other countries, if not it can lead down a dark and dangerous path.

 

His shirt is outdated. Maybe the club can get him an updated one, with all the names of the Ukrainian civilians printed on it who’ve died in this unnecessary conflict.
As mentioned, if he can reach out to Simon Parker, I’m sure he can organise an illegal feed somehow to watch the game.
I was there when he came to his first match and was introduced to the crowd. Cool guy I thought, However, until he changes his current views and unwashes his brain, I’m no longer cheering for him.

 

The people are gullible and the government know this, They do not allow any opinion other than the government line, All other sources of news or information will be banned or closed down, Is this Russia doing this? No it is the UK who do not allow its people to watch any channel that may give a different view and trust the population to make its own mind up,
Freedom of speech? only if you speak the governments view while wearing your tokenism ribbon

 

So you’re saying it’s the UK who is creating propaganda, not Russia? What channels are you watching/reading them?

 

The mention of Blair , Bush , Cameron, Kennedy , whoever we want to name in the West is a smokescreen and cannot in any way compare with what this murdering nut job is up to in 2022.

 

I am saying all channels from every country have an agenda and it is important to understand that, However the banning of news channels that have a neutral or even a view of the opposition should not be banned unless it can be proved they are broadcasting obvious lies ( Unless it is our own media obviously ) We champion we are a free country with freedom of speech and views but the banning of media channels the government disagrees with proves we are no better than the countries we criticise for not allowing opposition views

 

Do not do Twitter , so don't know what this guy has said. What putin is doing in Ukraine is heartbreaking , the man and his kronies are absolute lunatics, who need removing from power from within. This will not happen, most Russians are frightened to say anything for fear of state reprisals.
All that said , this is a football forum and as long as he keeps his messages to football , then we should not be talking of baning him . Freedom of speach , within certain boundries , and human rights, is what we build our society on.
The fact he can not watch on i follow , is due to the actions of his own political leaders, and if he backs them. He can have no complaints.

 

You obviously haven’t bothered to read my posts regarding Putin on here making pathetic comments like that, so we’ll leave it there. If you think western leaders didn’t know they’d be civilian casualties in their bombing then you’re naive at best or just plain thick. The fact you call civilians in these countries collateral makes me think there’s a racial undertone when people like yourself justify actions of countries like ours.

 

Are they all good then Kev and their actions just?

For what it’s worth I’m under no illusion that Putin the the most awful leader since the like of Mao and Hitler. But this is a thread about a Russian civilian not their government and what they’re told and how they perceive things. There is such a one eyed non empathetic way to some on here but each to their own.