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The problem is sure maybe the average Russian can be excused but someone like Dmitry doesn't fall into that group. He is someone who is able to get around blocks to watch a City matches it's not like he can't access other sources, he is also openly travelling to other countries so its not like he has only been exposed to Putins word

On the 'wars' the UK has been involved on. This is something you keep seeing the Russian bot farms posting about but its Apples and Oranges. Even if one of them was done on a rushed intelligent dossier that Blair pushed through before intelligent services were happy to sign off on (Blair should face war crimes tribunal for that and polling suggests many agree) it they all happened inside international law and with UN appoval. Russia were condemned for the first part of this in 2014 by the international community before this escalation which is outside international law and hasn't been approved by the UN

 

It's not excuses, its trying to explain to you that INTENTIONALLY TARGETING CIVILIANS isn't the same as unintentional civilian colateral damage. You trying to equate accidents due to a variety unintential reasons to intentional actions makes you sound like you are trying out to be Putins Spin Doctor ffs. Ideally there would have been no civilian deaths but I'm not going to codemn Cameron who along with the rest of the international community tried to deal with it without committing troops but when Gaddaffi in Libya and Assad/ISIS in Syria started mass slaughtering civilains they suspected of being against them condeming them for not just sitting back and saying 'let them sort it out themselves because if we get involved we might have some accidental civilian casualties'. Just letting a government get rid of any opposition without stepping into help is just cowardly and asking for trouble (especially in Syria as ISIS was already a big issue for the west)

You will notice I have condemned Blair multiple times for pushing through a dossier the intelligence services were not happy with the accuracy of. I've said on this thread or it might be the Chelsea one that I personally feel he should be put in front a firing squad alongside Putin and Abramovich as pushing through incompete intelligence and passing it off as 100% correct to the Americans is to me as much a war crime as anything. But again we didn't go and target Civilians in Iraq.

As for you accusations of racism. Sure if it was Iran he was invading there would be less being made of it but thats not due to racsim. First of all Iran is hardly a good example as Iran are a problematic country, China and Taiwan would have been a better example but I feel outcry would be the same if/when that happens. There would perhaps be more valid justification for Russia invadung Iran han invading Ukraine rather than using the excuse that a Jew is running a neo-nazi leaning government.

And Second of all Ukraine is not only closer but it has shadows of the events of WWII.

I mean if I list the following

• Use propaganda to gain power
• Use this power to chip away at rules to prevent abuse of power
• Use loopholes to wholesale change rules to gain more power
• Had political rivals assasinated
• Made 'undesiables' dissapear into labour camps in the middle of nowhere
• Use persecution of people of their countries ethnic decent as a reason to invade another
• Force millions to flee their country in fear

You wouldn't have a clue if I was talking about Hitler or Putin. Every person in Europe knows about Hitler, a handful from living through the war, or being told about it by their parents or from it being extensivily covered in School. And thats before TV, Movies, Books ect. Seeing signs of us being about to repeat the same mistakes again on our own doorstep ofc motivates people to care more.

As for when did the UN become god? They aren't but its the place where world leaders come together, discuss things and come to a general consenus. If the majority feel action is justified before its done then that makes it much more legitimate than just deciding to invade a country without presenting valid reasons and getting approval to do do so

 

It started that way, but quickly moved away from the original theme.

It is probably time to move the thread over to 'General Chat'. Consider it done.

 

If he was staying silent then you could understand that. Ideally you want people to speak out but if they don't because they are scared for them and their loved ones then you can understand that. He isn't staying silent though, he is posting pro Putin messages

 

I've read your comments but when you equate the likes of Syria to whats going on in Ukraine it makes your words pretty hollow. Again there is a massive difference between TARGETING civilians and some civilians being killed in actions trying to PREVENT a fecking genocide. And yes leaders knew there would be collateral damage both in innocent civilians' lives and infrastructure, unfortunately in any military operation it's unavoidable no matter how careful you are, sometimes intel is wrong, sometimes civilians are in unexpected places (as people aren't video game characters who follow a set path), sometimes equipment fails, sometimes there is just general human error and other times the other side intentionally put civilians in the way. But again it's not the same as targeting them like Russia is. They take the risk of all collateral damage into decisions and weigh up if that risk is worth it for the outcome, for example, the genocide that would have happened in Syria and Libya if nothing is done. But apparently, you are pro genocide being allowed to happen unchallenged, you probably consider Churchill to be a war criminal scum because the allies did cause innocent civilians in a number of countries to die to stop Hitler including to stop his mass genocide of a variety of groups of people.

And there is no racial undertones to the term collateral damage, its the term for unintended damage done undertaking a military campaign. If it wasn't the nuke fear and we had put a No-Fly Zone in place and were even providing air support to the Ukrainians it would still be a term I would use for the Ukrainian civilians who would be unintentionally killed at the hands of the West