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COVID Vaccine Poll

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Frank Castle, Jul 12, 2021.

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Have you had your COVID vaccine?

  1. Yes

    33 vote(s)
    89.2%
  2. Still undecided

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. No, I'm not having it

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  1. Frank Castle

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    Quick anonymous poll to see what sort of numbers we get on here, especially with restrictions being lifted next week.
     
  2. Tony Wilkinson

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    Surely ALL sensible folk have had one if not two... ?
     
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  3. SimonW

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    While I've had my first I can understand people who haven't. I can't say a rushed set of 'vaccines' exactly fills me with a massive amount of trust in it, especially as the testing of it was so lax just to get ready that we went from basically being told there were no serious side effects to an ever-growing list of potentially serious side effects and we don't know what else may end up being ann issue down the line that they aren't really known right now. I mean I got back from mine only to see it then reported that the Moderna one I was giving was now being linked to myocarditis and pericarditis. When there is already a vaccine hesitancy amongst some people then that doesn't really help as you just can't make an informed decision on the risk as they don't have anywhere near the full data to provide people.

    Also, it may be different in other areas but if you are like me and have a phobia of needles the process doesn't really help. I had hoped when it was my time my Doctor would contact me like they did my parents as it was easy for them, they were contacted a few days before, given a time, they arrived and 5 minutes later they were out. That's as problematic as possible if you have a phobia of anything related to having an injection. My age group came and nothing, a month later I got my NHS letter and they were another age range down by that point, a month after that a second letter and they were now multiple age ranges past me and my Doctor hadn't contacted me and they wouldn't let me book one when I phoned up as they apparently have to schedule them. And my nearest mass vaccination centres that ever had slots was going a county over in Stoke (That's nearly a big enough reason not to book). And you had to book 10 days in advance giving more time for fear to build. So that basically meant around about an hours journey for my mind to go over and over about it, despite having a set time that didn't matter, there were people in front of me whose bookings were anywhere from 30mins to over an hour after mine, and I had arrived 10mins early so it took about 45min of my anxiety getting worse, at one point I checked my fitness band and it was reporting a heartbeat of 110 which is massively elevated. Ultimately there is a massive amount of streamlining that could be to help those who are hesitant for phobia reasons, Doctors need to be more on top of bookings for people who haven't booked at a mass vaccination centre as there is a decent chance its apprehension that is stopping them and they need to not only have way more slots in some local mass vaccination centres and when you are given slot and you arrive that slot should actually matter. The easier the process is the easier it is to persuade people to have it, there will still be people who perhaps their phobia is significantly worse than mine who would still refuse even if it was the easiest process going but I can certainly understand why many don't turn up for their second dose after the experience from the first
     
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  4. Tony Wilkinson

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    We all start life with a fear of needles but at some point in life it is likely that it will be necessary to man up to this fear when for example a blood test must be given for whatever needed, it really is fearless and i'm not brave, we all take risks every day so I urge all that have not taken this simple easy injection to do so asap.. much safer than catching the disease itself..
     
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    You say that but phobias are different to just fear, you don't just get over phobias 'by manning up'. For example with myself, I can't even watch people getting an injection on TV, it's completely irrational, its not even caused by any trauma like some peoples phobias are because the only bad experience with an injection I have had (my BCG really didn't go well, almost 2 months after everyone else scab and pain had gone mine was still there and hurting) came well after the phobia existed. I could have to have an injection every day and that phobia probably wouldn't go away, the best I could probably do would learn to control it enough to dull it via therpy. It's like some people can be anxious going out into crowds but others have agoraphobia and just the thought of going out can cause them to break down, same with heights, plenty of people don't like heights and get uneasy walking over something high but those with Acrophobia is worse than that
     
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  6. Frank Castle

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    Interesting statement, which is not entirely true, as it's dependent on health and age. For example, the statement is certainly true for a 65 year old, or for a 35 year old with a respiratory condition. However, a healthy 23 year old is just as likely to develop a serious side effect from the vaccine than become seriously ill from COVID.

    Any sensible person (as you put it), should weigh up the risks and benefits to them and their family before making the decision of whether to get the vaccine or not, and that decision should be respected.
     
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    Had both of mine, Feb and March. I would like to think my choice was based on the balance of probability as I saw it. Teaching in a school with no way of effective social distancing. An increasing number of students being diagnosed positive, "vulnerable" relatives. Had to weigh up the benefits against the negative aspects of the remarkably short development period and lack of testing studies. Also famous, like Simon, for an irrational fear of needles. Drove 60 odd miles , well below freezingweather to wait in a line of cars for my 1st shot. Glad I did but respect those who chose not to based on the relatively new, untested vaccine. Now we have a lot more information on efficacy and side effects and still accept some people are not fully convinced by it yet. My contempt is reserved for those who choose not to get vaccinated for political reasons. Over here its kicking off, the incidence of vaccine uptake among the peaceful, law abiding, filled with love Jan 6th patriots is known to be staggeringly low. I wonder why? And finally, the conspiracy theory brigade - microchips, thought control, all that good stuff. Bless.
     
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    Doesn't help that even though we are learning more it seems almost a weekly occurrence where a new side-effect gets announced. I don't think we have the J&J one approved in the UK yet but I saw the FDA announced that can case some Neurological condition.

    Hopefully, it turns out that the only issues are these fairly rare ones but I really won't be surprised if in 5-20 years time we find out it's causing an 80% uptick in things like cancer or Alzheimers or that we end up with a Handmaids Tale situation where the fertility rate goes through the floor (And you just know the US will take the wrong message from it and think, that's a perfect way to combat fertility issues lol). After all, figures show that in the US it takes an average of 4.2 years for drugs that get FDA approval to get it but also that 1 in 3 of them later get pulled because they get found to be unsafe in the long run and that's without all those that were highly promising but fall at the last hurdle as safety issues come to light. If proper stringent testing and approval processes have such a failure rate then it certainly does mean something rushed and given exceptions on reaching the normal bar for acceptance could have issues we won't be aware of for years or decades
     
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  9. Tony Wilkinson

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    I accept your hesitancy but just think for one minute...where would we be without the covid vaccines ? they have no doubt already saved many thousands of lives...
     
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    Fully respect your opinions
    But the full impact of any side effects from the jab won't become apparent for many a year
    Remember this is an experimental jab with signed disclaimers in favour of the manufacturer
    Also the true figure of those double jabbed who have passed from covid is still to be released you may get a surprise
    Take into account the number of people who have died or will die from other diseases cancer heart failure kidney disease who have not been able to get life saving treatment this will add further perspective to your post
    Just for interest am nearly 60 and have no intention of participating in an experimental drug just yet my personal circumstances lend me to thinking am "low risk"
    Maybe as time goes by my outlook will change
     
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    I read a few times that drinking any types of alcohol as well as eating too many processed meats such as bacon can cause cancer.

    Turns out, it was easier (and made me happier) to give up reading.

    Yes we all need to be fully informed of potential health worries but there has to be a balance with actually living and enjoying the extremely short time you have on the planet.

    Too many younger people worry about what happens in 30, 40, or 50 years with the vaccine when in reality most of the folk will have done well to live long enough to get the side effects.
     
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    Had mine as soon as my age group was eligible: first one on May-day, and second just over a fortnight ago. We had a bad 2nd wave but got that under control with tight restrictions on businesses and socialising, as well as the beginnings of vaccinations; opening up too soon and too fast though led to a very bad 3rd wave. Tighter restrictions, and widespread vaccination got that under control, but it was a close-run thing for the hospitals. ICUs were just about at capacity, and we were on the verge of having to decide which patients get life-saving treatment, and which would be left to their own devices (basically, to die). Scroll down the article to see the graph for our various waves.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-july-14-2021-ltc-testing-changes-1.6102104

    As restrictions won't/can't work forever, the vaccines are our way out of this. As far as I am concerned, all should get the shots save for those with genuine medical reasons for not doing so.

    It might be useful to look at happenings elsewhere, e.g. the USA, and the differences between places and populations who are, or are not, vaccinated. Even the T&A has a story now about an unvaccinated chap ending up in the BRI. You just don't know which end of the scale you will end up on, should you catch the virus.

    Agent C-19: "Uh uh, I know what you're thinking. "Am I gonna get really sick or not?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kinda don't know myself. But being I am a highly-contagious coronavirus, and could blow you clean off this world into the next, you gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?"

    RCB
     
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  13. Bronco

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    There was a female scientist on TV the other day defending the vaccine (yes she would she was part of the team) but she said the vaccine was safe but the trails usually take longer because of lack of finance.

    With governments/scientists working together and unlimited money available for these trails it was always going to be available long before a normal vaccine trail would be.
     
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  14. Stafford Bantam

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    It might have been Sarah Gilbert.

    Yes, the money thrown at the vaccines has been huge and there are many other vaccines and medical advances that could be advanced if they had similar amounts of money thrown at them.

    The other main reason, for the speed with which the vaccine was developed, was the overlapping of the 3 main stages of the trials.
     
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