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Collins v Hopkin

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by bantamlad92, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. bantamlad92

    bantamlad92 Squad Player

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    Let’s forget about Edin for a minute.

    This season we have had 2 proper appointed “Head coaches”, here are their statistics in competitive matches:

    Collins: P7 W2 D1 L4 Win% 28.57

    Hopkin: P11 W1 D2 L8 Win% 9.09


    Yes, the recruitment was utterly abysmal and yes, the squad isn’t good enough as a whole.

    However, we have players playing week in week out who have played regular championship/league one football for teams much better than bottom of League 1 and therefore the results are completely unacceptable.

    Neither of our managers this season have been up to the task of galvanising this lot and in an attempt to save our season we need to bring someone else in and give them a chance to see who’s to be kept, who’s to be released and who’s to be brought in with a sizeable January budget.

    Why on earth should we trust Hopkin with this task? We’re doing nothing under him and why should we have any confidence that he’s the right man to take us forward?
     
  2. Fordy117

    Fordy117 Just call me Mr Flip-Flop!
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    Hopkin is proving a failure.

    Can't dress it up. He has been a disappointment
     
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  3. abbomf

    abbomf Emergency Backup

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    You popped your cork with excitement when Haris Vukic turned up so why should I accept this nugget of wisdom?:p
     
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  4. bantamlad92

    bantamlad92 Squad Player

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    He’s taken us even further backwards from an on-pitch performance standpoint.

    Performances and results are getting worse somehow.

    How do we go in 0-0 at Half Time against a fellow relegation-zone team, come out and concede 4 and a penalty to go with it. Beyond belief
     
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  5. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    I’m not arguing but I don’t think the stats are black and white.

    We’re like a runaway train, gathering momentum, in a negative sense.

    If Hopkin had been appointed in the summer and led our recruitment then I think we’d have been in a much better position. He’d have the sort of players he wants, pre season would’ve been more professional etc.

    I think the impact of getting their coach sacked after a month will have shattered an already fragile squad. As it’s gone more and more off the rails, the lack of leadership within the squad is taking its toll. Everything I see shows that we’re a broken club. The players aren’t arsed about playing for it and there’s no honesty or leadership from within the playing ranks. They look a completely disinterested, disengaged bunch and it stems from the top. We could have Guardiola in, with Klopp as his assistant and I don’t think it’d make much difference right now.

    I’ve no idea how we even start to judge Hopkin, such is the mess that we are in as a club. It’s beyond fixing, without a full rebuild from the top down.
     
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  6. Faithful Bantam

    Faithful Bantam Squad Player

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    That’s on the players. As soon as we concede, their arse falls out. Gutless, the lot.
     
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  7. Broadsider

    Broadsider Emergency Backup

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    No difference whatsoever. Collins should never ever have been given the gig! Abbott presiding over shambolic recruitment and zero pre--season was a disaster waiting to happen. Hopkin is now powerless to change anything in this hopeless mess and January will be too late!
     
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  8. Disillusioned of Bingley

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    If Collins had stayed his record would be just as bad. Only one person to blame for all of this and that is ENID
     
  9. donhutchinsaffro

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    ENID OUT ENID OUT BLOODY KIDS BOOKS
     
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  10. Disillusioned of Bingley

    Disillusioned of Bingley Fringe Player

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    Enid and the Famous Five. Stuart, Gregory, Simon, Michael and David. Before long it will be the Secret Seven.
     
  11. Onside87

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    Collins was thrown under a bus. He has my sympathy to be honest as he got pelters from the fans yet Hopkin appears to be getting away with it at the moment. His record is appalling to be honest, as is his style of play.
     
  12. How

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    If Collins had lasted any longer his win record would be the same if not worse than hopkin’s.

    He was crap.
     
  13. Captain Grumpy

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    McCall just lost his fifth successive game, should Scunthorpe be sacking him now? Got to give managers time, Parkinson had a poor first season before things improved with his own squad and we need to see what Hopkin can do with his own players and coaching staff. Sadly I don't think he'll get the chance.
     
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  14. How

    How Knows Football
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    Totally agree otherwise we might aswell start giving managers month to month contracts. But just talking hypothetical if he does walk this week, we need someone in fast
     
  15. Onside87

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    Collins didn't get a chance then did he?
     
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  16. Carts #CTID

    Carts #CTID Fringe Player

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    David won't be going anywhere anytime soon. He has the full backing of the owners and rightly so. He has come in, picking up other people's mess and I believe he has got what it takes to take the team forward (after a successful January transfer window).

    There will be funds available and I think we need to give David until the end of the season before we start questioning his future at City.

    A different class to Collins, proven winner in Scotland and an overall good appointment. We should be grateful he came - no one else wanted to!
     
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  17. Edinmiarse

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    OK. Let's assume that Hopkins gets the push. Who's next and more importantly who would come? How long would you give him?
     
  18. Craven Cottager

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    I preferred Alien v Predator. Lots more action.
     
  19. Carts #CTID

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    Collins was s***e tho - out of his depth! Glad he's gone! Cheap option they tried but quickly realised he wasn't good enough.

    Different story with Hopkin - the owners will be very patient with him. You can't expect a miracle overnight - he's not a magician.
     
  20. JonButterfield

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    If he'd managed more games, he'd have somehow won one fewer than he did in just six games...? :unsure::unsure::unsure:
     

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