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I don’t count Big Sams 1 game as England manager

 

I wasn’t being critical of your stance. Actually it is the sensible one.

I was just trying to state that we can’t say ‘just move on’ because I believe it is a reflection of the club in general.

 

I think you're over complicating things a bit. Pretty much everyone knows what the predominant objectives are for any football club at the start of the year and they're based around league positions. All the other bits are secondary and "nice to haves" and I doubt they'd change much between fans and board members. All the ancillary stuff if just other factors to take into account if they do/don't meet the primary target.

Achievements, progress (leaving a team in a higher position that you left them) winning the big games are the only the main factors I'd use when judging a manager. Win percentage and things like that are easier to compare but when it comes down to it if you've ticked those three boxes then you've generally done a good job.

 

You have created a problem as you see it. Well that is your opinion but you don't talk for me when you say "we".

It is very clear you don't like SM as the manager.

But don't try to make out he is not held to the same standards any manager would be held to. He sure is.

 

His second spell would have always been a big ask with regards the conditions he worked under, yet he got us one step further than Phil could a Wembley appearance in the League One play off final.
His second season with us we only dropped out of the top 4 because of the 6 defeats yet we were still in a play off place, Rahic sacked him and guess what our performances/results didnt change would it have been better keeping Stuart on ?, we'll never know because from the outset Rahic thought he should be the man getting all the plaudits.
All history but I'm not sure his second season could be classed as failure.

 

Agree.

As I said when we go on a losing run then McCall struggles.

He disappointed me the other night with we can like this, we can play like that. It's like no have a game plan and it's easy to understand that when it goes wrong why McCall struggles.

Let's hope it doesn't go wrong.

 

One of the few games that counted he lost

 

Parky s figures are heavily influenced by the fact he took over one of our worst sides ever which meant he was fighting a relegation battle Stuart took over a side in his second spell that was very solid

 

Win percentage is fine, but do you know who has by far the best win percentage as England manager? Well it's Fabio Cappello by some distance and I don't see the FA clamouring to get him back.

 

League positions and in which division is a measure of achievement, Dolan just missing out on promotion by a whisker was an achievement but he still failed to achieve that promotion where others with a poorer percentage actually achieved promotion, Measurement by win percentages are dependent on to many variables to judge accurately a managers performance where promotion or relegation etc are a tangible event

 

Agree but isn't that because of Rhodes though? It's like Rupp has said to Rhodes run it how you like I am not interested.
Rhodes has been around the game for long enough he should know that data, scouting network and even a Sporting Director is important in football in 2020.

Rupp passes the hot potato to Rhodes and Rhodes passes it to McCall.

 

Very interesting submission and I actually can’t argue with your point of view.

The nub of the problem, as far as I see it, Is that we accept mediocrity, we accept failure, we lower our expectations and use a lower bar to measure success because the incumbents name is McCall. We don’t hold him to the same standard we would anyone else.

That’s the issue I have.

 

Is your final statement a wind up?

McCall is held to the same standard by Bradford fans as all other managers...really?

You really have got to be kidding me.