City Managers Records and achievements

just shows the value for scratching round for a point when not playing well

 

Agree.

As I said when we go on a losing run then McCall struggles.

He disappointed me the other night with we can like this, we can play like that. It's like no have a game plan and it's easy to understand that when it goes wrong why McCall struggles.

Let's hope it doesn't go wrong.

 

One of the few games that counted he lost

 

Im sorry fella but you are getting confused here buddy.

Hes managed many clubs. Hes only got the the triple at one club once. Doing this once does not disprove my point about pep needing time at multiple clubs. You saying it took him one year to achive his record breaking season only proves my point!

I honestly don't know how your day has been but you have been salty and frankly toxic for no reason. Hope your day is going well!

 

I have to disagree with you on this point. Here's the records (League matches only) of our managers from Stuart's first spell onwards:



And here's the bottom, and thus the good end, of the losing % list: (again, League matches only). Games played - WDL - and % WDL



Kamara's losing % was 39.39%, and Jewell's, 39.05%.

Granted, Staurt's not-as-impressive first-spell numbers are more than compensated for by the impressive second-spell numbers; it remains to be seen what effect the third spell will have. But even so, Stuart's first-spell losing % was still better than that of K. and J. So I don't think this particular stat can be used against Stuart.

RCB

 

I appreciate all of your work on this in response to what Dennis said but my personal objection to a focus on win/loss rates when trying to judge a manager is more simple.......they don't take into account objectives.

You could have a 50% win rate and fail or you could have a 30% win rate and massively overachieve.

In every season here McCalls objective has been promotion, he's been expected to be towards the top of the league. You would therefore expect a good win rate.

Kamara, Jewell and Parkinson actually achieved something.....promotion....and therefore had seasons where their primary objective was just to stay up in the new league. All of which they actually achieved. Your win rate will obviously suffer when you're trying to consolidate at a new level.

Weirdly, focusing purely on win/loss rate is actually praising Stuart for never actually getting promotion. He's never had to adjust to a new level and had his win rate suffer as a result.

That's why win/loss rate is a meaningless stat in isolation.

 

Parky s figures are heavily influenced by the fact he took over one of our worst sides ever which meant he was fighting a relegation battle Stuart took over a side in his second spell that was very solid

 

Figures of which manager got this percentage or that percentage are interesting but totally beyond the point,
The only measurement of any value is what did they actually achieve,

 

Win percentage is fine, but do you know who has by far the best win percentage as England manager? Well it's Fabio Cappello by some distance and I don't see the FA clamouring to get him back.

 

League positions and in which division is a measure of achievement, Dolan just missing out on promotion by a whisker was an achievement but he still failed to achieve that promotion where others with a poorer percentage actually achieved promotion, Measurement by win percentages are dependent on to many variables to judge accurately a managers performance where promotion or relegation etc are a tangible event