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  1. Dennis

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    There's a lot of detail here so I'll stick to the main points.

    Bottom line is the club made a loss of £299k in the 21/22 season. For some reason, the club prefers to call that a deficit

    That's simply the difference between its total revenues of £7.3m and its total costs of £7.6m. The deficit has improved significantly on the previous season when it was £845k but of course that was seriously impacted by Covid. At the end of the day, it's the size of the loss or deficit which illustrates how well the club performs financially. Over time, continuing to run up losses can't be sustained unless it is supported by its owner. The alternative is to improve the commercial revenues or reduce the club's costs.

    There are some interesting comments from Alan Biggin on players costs. He says quite correctly that we are well within the SCMP wages cap. It's described in a positive way which helps to explain why our playing budget continues to reduce in real terms every season. We're clearly getting better at keeping within the SCMP wages year on year! For a football club with promotion aspirations, I don't regard it as a positive at all since it is a major determinand of the quality of the playing squad. But that might just be my thinking.

    There's a passing comment on the loan provided by Rupp. It confirms that it is £1.7m (and not the figure quoted above in another post) as I've said previously and it was provided before Covid impacted when Rahic was doing his thing. We'll have to wait until the next results are published in Apr 24 to see whether any part of the loan has been paid back during last season.

    It's a long piece of analysis from Alan Biggins which is encouraging in that the club is becoming more open about its financial position. I trust this continues. There's some serious slapping of backs in some parts which I don't intend to comment on further!

    If there are specific issues where you need further explanation, let me know and I'll try to explain.
     
  2. Dennis

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  3. Park bantam

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    Turnover increased by 42% that is some going
     
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  4. JimmyBantam

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    I've not read the accounts myself, hut if turnover has indeed increased by 42% then that is absolutely worth acknowledging and applauding.

    What would be interesting to know is what is the committed expenditure against optional. A large turnover can give you great flexibility.
     
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  5. Keefly Bantam

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    Turnover is vanity=profit is sanity. Its the bottom line that counts. Turnover up and then spaffing money on shite players up. Sort of cancels itself out. That is some going as you say.
     
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    Raised turner gives a bigger baseline for FFP, not that we spend what we can.
     
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  7. Dennis

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    I cannot promise you somebody with a brain but I'll give you my professional advice. It will have to be later this evening.

    @Loyalbantam@Loyalbantam makes a good point. These financial highlights relate to the 21/22 season. Lots of things will have changed since then. The accounts for last season (22/23) should have been prepared by now but for some reason, the club always waits until the Companies House final deadlne before publishing them at the end of March. Shortly after that deadline in early April 24, the club will publish the latest selected highlights. These highlights show more detail than the the published accounts (which is a good thing). It's always interesting however what is omitted from these 'selected' highlights compared to what the accounts themselves show, such as the club's debt!
     
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  9. Kevin1954

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  10. Kevin1954

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    Season on season deficit , not overall deficit. Big difference!
     
  11. Bantam Begins

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    It won’t be a pretty read this years. Even with the sale of mummy’s boy Lewis and Young.
     
  12. borderlescott

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    What were the expenses in relation though? Turnover itself isn’t very informative to our overall position if we’re forking it all back out!
     
  13. Kevin1954

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    Yes it states the applicable seasonal accounts in the narrative.
     
  14. Park bantam

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    Two sides of the club one you can control the other you can’t. Raising the turnover that much is a good achievement
     
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  15. SteveC

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    Turnover and profit are 2 very different animals. The proof will indeed be in the pudding, as they say
     
  16. Captain Grumpy

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    That account was published in April last year covering the 21/22 season it’s an old news report. In April this year we should get the 22/23 season accounts
     
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    These are out of date accounts. The only thing of note is whether the £299k deficit carried forward has since shrunk or grown! And of particular interest is if Hughes leaving has had as much a financially negative impact as it is now clear Adams' departure did.
     
  18. Keefly Bantam

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    Yes, you can control both-what on earth are you talking about. Bring more in and SPEND less. Both in the control of the club? Yes?
     
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    Those two though are not usually harmonious in the world of football finance's
     
  20. borderlescott

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    Yes 42% inc is applaudable but @Keefly Bantam@Keefly Bantam found the phrase i was looking for in his subsequent reply!
     
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