Charles Vernam

Yes as has been pointed out already he had 1

 

Thats fair comment. It just makes me laugh that there are some who would have been singing his praises had he signed a new contract but because he's decided to move he's suddenly not so good. I actually rate the guy, he suffered under the God awful Derek Adams as did every player at the club. I'll go with the actual fact here that he's gonna be playing a higher level of football next season than any player that starts at Valley Parade next season.

 

As we've both demonstrated - you can do anything with stats.

Thompson contributed goals / assists in crucial matches. Without him, I don't even think we'd had got to Wembley - he scored an opportunistic goal right at the time we were playing badly and when Burton should have been out of sight. Plus of course that brilliant cross in the final. For me he was our best player after the Swansea cup final - his never say die attitude dragged us up and I imagine inspired his colleagues.

Same for Marshall in his 2nd year. I've not seen that from Vernham. I don't think he's a big match player. So he's a loss, because Hughes could probably have made him one, but not a massive one. It's that simple.

And note I was very 'meh' about Thompson and Marshall in their first 10/15 matches with us.

Oh by the way. I love how you chose Marshall's first season. I'm judging him when he was at his best and his best, plus Thompson's was better than Vernham's.

Some of us think he can be replaced relatively easy. We'll see who's correct.

 

I think the difference wholly being he’s blossomed under Mark Hughes’s short time here…Why..highly likely good coaching by MH/GH and allowing a player to believe in his own ability. We all know he had difficulty getting a game under Adams, getting a shot on target , under anyone, yet the difference under MH/ GH has been pretty impressive. He will either either carry on in the same vein , or he will revert back to those days you mention if the Lincoln coaching staff “ do things differently and play him differently” . Remember the manager that wanted him at Lincoln is no longer there. Read into that, but I can only wish the lad luck. Given the right opportunity to get on the ball he should be fine, if not he will be wide out left with his arm in the air?

 

Sorry yes Marshall got more goal contributions by 4 in his second season here. He also played quite a few more matches……
I was just pointing out that your comment on our “great wide men” was ridiculous as Vernams stats are up there with them.
I’m not making out like CV is Messi but to think he won’t be missed after just being snapped up by a L1 team is a bit silly. The lad is only 25 too. Still got a good 7 years in him to find his best.

 

Yes. I do think he would have been better under Hughes and so yes, would have been even better. So that's why I would have liked him to stay.

 

I don’t think anyone has said they glad he’s gone, if so point it out could you?

 

I've never said he won't be missed. I've said that he's replaceable without us paying silly money.

I also think we all overtly rely on the stats. If we're judging last season on them, we were great as we have some of the best ExG ones!!

No. I've been watching our wingers / wide men for nearly 50 years and Marshall, Reid and Thompson were all better - because they had a better mental application - which we can see has been an issue for Vernham all his career.

Now could that have been resolved under Hughes? Absolutely. But we are not losing some kind of perfect player. When Marshall went, that was a big blow - because there was no-one better, for that money at that time.

 

I agree with you. That's been my point in my last few comments

 

Not sure why you keep mentioning about players like Thompson and Marshall player many more matches like it’s a bad thing, surely it’s a positive if your best players in a position can play every game? Lee Angol has a very good goal to game ratio but it’s useless most of the time it’s irrelevant, if anyone thinks Vernam had the quality Marshall did in his second season with us then I’ll just have to presume they didn’t watch any of the season and use BBC stats to judge a player.

 

" 18 months of service and some memorable moments. Thanks for your service, Charles, and all the very best!"

Really.

I'll go with the all the very best but the 18 months quote is way out IMO.

 

I wish him well like most of our former players, but my point about Vernam has always been about lack of consistency and the inability to perform on heavy grounds. He looked good at the end of the season but it was no coincidence that it was one of the driest Aprils for a long time. I'd guess he'll make a decent start at Lincoln and then either get injured or dropped by October. We'll see.

 

It's not football manager. It's not just about stats. Look at contribution in games, how they play in real life, fit into style of play etc. Next season I am sure Pereira will do more than Vernham. He is at Championship side Luton who would like to keep him. That's a bit more than a U23 side

 

Correct. I think if you look over his career it would be fair to question whether he really believes himself all the time, i.e. if he had James Milner's attitude - he'd be playing in The Championship.

I do think Hughes would have got that side working better and he'd be a far better player and so I believe he's making a mistake going to Lincoln.

 

I think there's more in the locker of Pereira than Vernham and he's younger.

If Hughes can now get him, then he's a valid replacement.

Or Hughes, might not fancy him and has got better in mind.

Either way, I'm cool with it all.

 

Without doubt his short time under Hughes showed us just what the lad was capable of, I wouldn't accuse him of playing for a move, but agents do have a way of doing things behind the scenes.

 

I think he's made an error. Hughes was already improving him in that vital mental application capacity. He was far more bolder in taking the game by the scruff or the neck - which what we've seen from the great wingers over the past 100 years (well it feels that long )

So he could have learnt so much more from Hughes and even had a clause that said he went in January if there was interest from L1 or above.

Instead, he's gone to club that's gone down our very successful 2018/19 policy of undermining a good manager (i.e. Appleton) and then replacing him with an unknown of not great pedigree.

Vernham needs a strong manager - almost like a father figure. Hughes would have done that.

 

Definitely saw the best of Vernam under Hughes. Given the way Hughes likes his teams to play and the fact it suits Vernams game, then it is a shame to see him go. Getting a full season from him under this system could have turned out to be quite a prolific season. Alas it's not to be.

Can't forget we also have Eisa on the books. If his potential is as good - if not better - than Vernam then we might not miss the lad.

I wish Vernam all the best at his boyhood club in the league above. Can't knock the lad for taking the opportunity.

 

My apologies if I come across a bit lairey in this thread. That said, not wantng to blow my own trumpet by I'm very rarely wrong when it comes to football players.

 

I believe most saw the guy had potential on his day he could rip defenders a new one, unfortunately under Adams they weren't often enough, against Stevenage he was outstanding but on the night most of that 11 showed what they could do.
Roll forward to when Hughes took over not merely getting a start but actually making a very positive impact, without doubt I'd have loved to keep him those last few games wetted the appetite for the coming season but he made the decision to move nearer home a league above us and more than likely for more money, good luck to Charlie but IMO that comment from the club was way over the top.