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Caroline Flack

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Park bantam, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. Frank Castle

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    Let's say this was the other way around. A male celebrity had been accused of domestic violence, the 'victim' then changes her story but the CPS decide there's still enough evidence to charge the man. Then the CPS allow the man to stay in contact with the 'victim'.

    There'd be outrage. Claims that he could be intimidating or harassing her while they waited to go to trial. There has to be rules in place that don't allow any intimidation or abuse to continue.

    What people seem to forget is that the boyfriend called 999 when Flack threw a lamp at his head and caused an injury which required hospital treatment. Those are facts, facts that meant the CPS felt the case was strong enough even without the boyfriends testimony.

    It's sad that she felt that suicide was the only way out, clearly she wasn't very well, but to blame the CPS or media doesn't sit right with me. I feel she just seriously regretted what she had done, knew her career was now on a downward spiral and couldn't face a public trial. I'm sure the press stories didn't help, or the trolls on social media, but this is nothing new in the world of celebrity.
     
  2. trevor

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    She made a mistake, She has paid a heavy price, Rest in Peace
     
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  3. Park bantam

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    It was a moment of madness probably alcohol influenced and raging probably passionate argument. Her boyfriend didn’t want to proceed with the case so I believe a police caution would have sufficed.
    What was worse is the banning of her seeing her boyfriend something they both wanted which may have seen her through this. I know it’s in hindsight but it seems very cruel to me. Think about all the louts who have beaten and abused there wives over the years and escape justice because their wives wouldn’t testify. Sad very sad
     
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    And it is because of all those louts that beat their partners and then were never prosecuted that the guidelines were changed so CPS now proceed like they did in this case if there is enough other evidence
     
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    I can see all sides here and in any situation like this there are safeguarding concerns. But in my opinion where there's no evidence of previous abuse and the alleged victim doesn't want to press charges then a caution would have sufficed.

    It feels like because she's famous and therefore is high profile they've wanted to make it a show trial. I don't think that would've happened of she wasn't famous.

    If the situations were reversed sex wise I'm not sure I'd have any less sympathy for the guy
     
  6. Rogered Tart

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    Millions live their lives via social media, faux greiving for a woman they never met or knew yet feel the need to pour out their emotions publically. The very same people who had different views only a day earlier. Amazing what topping yersen can do to your public perception, I guess the poor lass will never find that out.
    The very same grief tourists now desperately trying to shift blame to the likes of Dan Wooton at the Sun. The very people who give the likes of Wooton the reason to be.
    What next? Wooton tops himself from the social media backlash? Cos they'd love that wouldn't they?
     
  7. How

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    Define “no evidence of previous abuse”?

    what would we have said if the Cps dropped all charges as soon as the victim wasn’t supporting it and the next time she hit him harder with something and killed him? Who would have been to blame then?

    he wanted the charges dropping but it doesn’t work like that. Sometimes people need protecting and they don’t even know it. They are too scared or don’t want the case going through court due to fear or reputation etc.

    also, you have some domestic abuse cases where the victim does retract but then a month or two later down the line they are fully on board with the case when the pressure has died down a little.
    There is no such thing as a “show trial”
     
  8. Park bantam

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    I accept your point but common sense should be applied this was an argument gone wrong and the affect of pursuing it were obviously profound and in this case tragic
    What she had to go through entering and leaving court was something the general public don’t have to suffer a police caution would have sufficed.
    What I don’t understand is why today’s young people and kids allow themselves to be bullied on social media. Either block people or get ofline don’t give the trolls the ammunition to feed off
     
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    I am not 100% sure on the sentencing guidelines but I’d imagine a caution is not an option in a case of domestic abuse. And rightly so.

    there would be no press ban on the case so the press are within their rights to be outside court. Her management team could and should have done more to protect her from that? Why is that also the CPS’s job?
    I do believe more needs to be done for defendants in this country aswell as victims but in this case no matter what CPS did they wouldn’t have been able to win.
    Next people will be saying the police shouldn’t have arrested her because she didn’t mean it and might have killed her self
     
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    Some of those on Twitter who were moaning and saying everyone should be kind are tonight having a go at Courtney Love and Louis Capaldi after the Brits.

    somethings don’t change
     
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    We love a good bitch. We should embrace it.
     
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    I have never heard of this woman & am feeling like I did a few weeks back when a basketball player (who I'd never heard of) died, mystified.
     
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    I'd never heard of Phillip Schofield until Gordon texted me.
     
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    There’s a contradiction in your post which demonstrates the imbalance in attitudes towards domestic violence based on gender.

    ‘Louts’ have ‘escaped justice’ because ‘abused wives wouldn’t testify’.

    But in this case you’re happy to dismiss it as ‘probably a moment of alcohol induced madness’ and a ‘caution would have sufficed’. Because the alleged perpetrator is a woman...

    Double standards.

    For the record, I’m not trivialising the point around men who’ve escaped justice. I think all domestic violence is abhorrent and whether you’re male or female, if you commit such acts then you should be prosecuted equally, regardless of what’s between your legs. Equality should mean equality.

    And I agree with the points raised around virtue signalling, faux grief attitudes on social media. The same people blaming ‘the media’ are generally the same people who lap up shite like Love Island and celebrity lifestyle magazines. They endorse, even create a platform for these so called celebrities to be famous for being famous, disconnecting themselves and those within such ‘celebrity circles’ from reality. It’s toxic.

    I’ve said the same thing with footballers when there’s an outcry over misbehaviours. ‘they’re a role model for children’. If you’re allowing someone you’ve never met to be a role model for your child, the problem lie’s elsewhere.

    I’ll get off my high horse now. Rant over!
     
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    Again not meaning to trivialise anything that has happened and I didn't know whether to post here, or in it gets right on my tits, or general football (sort of), but Lizzie Cundy gets right on my tits. She's been all over the radio in support of Philip Schofield, same for Caroline Flack, she's every celebs best friend. What does she actually do. Rant over
     
  16. ahar964

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    Actually having read that now does anyone know how to move it to gets right on my tits
     

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