Car Wash & Politics thread

I am saying that many of the British public are brainwashed by the influence of the media. Why do you think Blair was a buddy of Murdoch? The country within a country the City of London and their supporters that have included the media moguls like the Barclay brothers run this country.

 

You have a right to your opinion but I think you're doing many of the British public a miss-service, the British electorate certainly took little notice of anyone when they made the decision to leave the EU.
You're right with regards who runs the country but that would also apply at the time under New Labour wouldn't it ?.

 

Yes - it about opinion - Bronco. The referendum voting had some undertones of racism and was driven by the establishment and there press misinforming and driving a Brexit. You have to ask if the fact that many people in the establishment made money from the EU - yet when regulations were going to be made to be more open about tax avoidance and off shore accounts (a system to replace income from the British Empire as it was dissolved - by the City of London who had a lot to lose) by EU member states - a referendum was offered to the UK population.

 

why did blair make such an effort to cosy up to murdoch?

also broncs, a big part of vote leave's sucess was it's large scale use of behavioural analytics from Cambridge Analytica/AggregateIQ, in effect using records of people's behaviour online to target information at them designed to encourage specific behaviours. often this might not have been as on the nose as getting people to vote leave, it was also convincing certain groups of the populace not to vote at all. This sort of stuff also played a big role in Trump getting in.

 

OK because Labour has not been in office since the New Labour days of Tony Blair it's every other factor baring their electorbility.
The Tories under Boris have been very poor (although I'm not sure any other party would have dealt with Covid any better) so given your above the Tories should theoretically be out on their arses come December 2024.

 

I think it's naive to pretend the media and things like behavioural analytics have no bearing on anything Bronco. Politicians wouldn't court the tabloids as much as they do if they had no influence whatsoever.

Who knows, Miliband might have done better if all the tabloids hadn't plastered a picture of him struggling to eat a sandwich over their front pages, maybe corbyn wouldn't have been perceived as so toxic if all the tabloids hadn't devoted as many column inches as they could calling him a terrorist. A hell of a lot of people get their news from these sources because they have jobs/kids/lives to worry about so don't have the time or inclination to look beyond what the newspaper/tv news tells them.

For what it's worth I do think the tories will lose the next election for a variety of reasons.

 

You underestimate the establishment. If the Tories are not the flavour - watch how they back Tory lite starmer. However, should Starmer promise unpalatable things to them - expect their full force behind the Tories, on line, BBC news management - ma

Exactly - not many have time or can be bothered. Regarding Corbyn I was bemused by the onslaught he received/receives. After research it can be found that many of the things they berate (including the Blairites)him over are not true. Mmm i wonder why that is - frightened he would expose and change the biased economic system through which they receive their wealth.?

 

So did Tony Blair and New Labour do a better job of courting your above examples during the time they were in power, the media didn't stop me from voting Labour again in 2010 when I realised the world finacial meltdown was not all Labour's doing and the fact that the Tories at the time wanted less red tape/ legislation on the banking/finacial sectors.

 

Basically yes, it was generally blair getting reported on going for dinner with Murdoch etc and not your Michael Howards/IDS etc when they were leading the tories. It isn't the be all and end all but if they had no influence on people at all tabloids probably wouldn't even exist anyway.

 

Sorry mate I do not accept Jeremy Corbyn and the last Labour manifesto had little or nothing to do with the 2019 General Election results, for any one who voted to leave the EU could only vote the one way and that was Tory.

 

https://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/assets/documents/research/projects/corbyn/Cobyn-Report.pdf

Someone actually put together an academic paper on how systematically corbyn was misrepresented in the media

 

I've posted this many times and for me it summed Labour up at the last General Election, Corbyn an anti EU back benchers all his political career would not stand his corner and claimed to be politically neutral with regards brexit, if as leader of a party you can be honest with regards your past strong political convictions then you shouldn't be leader.
The next General Election is a long way off but the Labour party need to be attacking the Tories with regards what they would do to rectify the situation, I believe that would be more in their interests and maybe convince those who voted Tory at the last election they can be trusted going forward with positive policies.
I'm here for the taking just give me some Labour policies I like and believe can be delivered.

 

The fact is Corbyn was anti EU. It was the blairites who wanted to stay in and came up with the parties democratic solution proposed in the manifesto.
What was wrong with their manifesto?

 

I dont think that's fair or right given the amount of miraculous Brexit converts in the Tory party, Boris Johnson being one of them.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-s-article-backing-britain-s-future-in-the-eu-a3370296.html

 

Whichever way on the political spectrum you lean on, it's an absolute fact that the media are; a) heavily influenced and b) heavy influencers.

A topical example is the last major heatwave in the UK back in 2003 - the news report suggests people head to the beaches and enjoy the sunshine in the anticipated 37c sunshine whilst taking sensible precautions such as suncream, water and headwear.

Now it's just fear mongering - it's death statistics, telling us repeatedly how our lives are in danger, don't leave the house, don't travel etc.

 

That said they would seek a new/better deal with the EU not sure why they thought the EU would move on the deal, then ask voters to vote against it, you couldn't make it up. They wanted to scupper any deal with EU to stay within the customs union and single market they were ridiculed constantly with regards that actual policy.
I'd say with that policy being the main one the rest of their manifesto wasn't worth debating.
Corbyn was anti EU we agree, but he made himself look foolish with his EU neutral stance, even where past Labour strongholds voted leave the majority of Labour MPs voted the bill down, it looks like Starmer has finally given up on the Labour parties passed stance and believes he can do better than the Tories ouf of the EU.

 

Corbyn was following a democratically made decision within the Labour Party plp. Strarmer being the one promoting that stance for the manifesto. For me staying in within the EU customs union was a good compromise. We are seeing where not being in is costing us. So again influenced by on line and msm the public were persuaded to vote for an etonian clown - who despite what has been said has not delivered Brexit as the Northern Ireland debacle has shown.

 

I'm not sure anyone expected to have full brexit delivered within 2 years especially with a world wide pandemic that has run in parallel causing a world wide economic disaster, on top of that a war in Europe, something the EU boasted about with regards keeping Europe war free.

 

We are informed he delivered it. Have the Tories?
Have you a link to where the EU boasted it would keep Europ war free. The concept was to help Europe remain war free. USA decided otherwise in

Some of the economic impact has been caused by Brexit and incompetent Tories - they are unable to plan and deliver and have effected supply chains. The trade deals have been woeful. We arestill waiting for any significant Brexit benefits?
The EU was formed to help keep peace - however promises made to Russia have been broken by the USA and NATO allies - that contributed and has given Putin rhe excuses for the illegal invasion

 

Not sure I said that did I ?, they used themselves as an example of countries working together in harmony with less chance of war in Europe.
All countries are guilty of feathering there own nest and when war does break out we find countries like ourselves have been arming the aggressors.
The remainders were quite happy to tell us to negotiate new trade deals took years now your saying trade deals are woeful.
Of course Covid has caused delays which in turn has made it more difficult for business to pick up once they were given the all clear, the car industry being one of the main industries because of shortages of computer chips.
All this over what I thought was a bit of fun with regards illegal immigrants coming to the UK from France in an inflatable, I'll leave it there Briggus.