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He didn’t buy a dodgy car he bought a very nice Range Rover and somebody cloned his plates. And you can bet your life if it had been a young professional man or woman in a suit and white they wouldn’t have got the same treatment

 

Wonder if Robinson got the same?

 

Typo-edited for accuracy-thanks

 

That quote with my name attached isn’t from me it is from @Faithful Bantam

 

It would be more than his pride hurt if his little sister got caught up in gangland drugs and firearms crime and the police did feck all to stop it just in case they were wrong and a black man complained

 

Because that's where proactive police stops are most effective. Not perfect by any means but those are the areas (along with thefts) where stops without firm evidence do get some positive results.

Are you happy to lose those positive results? It's a genuine question.

 

It's a very tricky time for police, particularly now. If there is genuine intelligence that there is a cloned plate then this stop is fine and keeps the public safe. If not, we have a problem don't we.

 

'racial profiling' you're a joke mate...

 

Should be taken out with a drone strike.........ohh, that'll go down well..!!

 

Well it's quite difficult to find stats that are nailed on because there will be wide variations between the reasons behind it but I found this....


Across England and Wales in 2017/18 around 30% of stops and searches led to what’s called a “positive outcome.” This refers to cases where action is taken against people who were stopped and searched. This includes arrest cases but also covers other resolutions like warnings and Penalty Notices.

In London 60% of positive outcomes were related to drug offences, 11% to theft, fraud and counterfeit offences, and 9% were for “weapons, points and blades”.

https://fullfact.org/crime/does-stop-search-work/

As I say, not perfect, obvious flaws and but it does bring some positive results in quite crucial areas.

 

I have read somewhere that ARV's are not routinely despatched unless a firearm has been reported to have been seen or its a pre planned operation.

 

The police have more than enough excuses to pull people over these days without resorting to random stops. This day and age they're goaded into pulling them over, either with young scroates looking for a chase or with use of mobile phones or not wearing seatbelts. You can guarantee a stop for not wearing a seatbelt will coincide with other offences, they're genuinely not bothered. One of my pet hates not wearing a seat belt, why would you draw attention to yourself by doing something that could put your life at risk in the event of a crash?

 

96%of accidents are caused by sober drivers, therefore it's far safer to drive after about 5 pints yeah..?

 

Yep. I read that. But it does produce 30% positives mostly in drug and weapon related incidents even if the crime rates them selves don't change. It takes weapons and drugs off the streets.

As I said at the beginning are you happy to forego those.

You're also about 1,500 times more likely to be stopped as a man rather than a woman. It would be laughable if I demanded and apology because I'd been profiled in a sexist way though

 

I can't help but read this in a Boris Johnson voice.

 

Kinda going round a bit in circles here.

Yes but it depends how firm the intelligence needs to be. If it has to be nailed on then theres no point anyway because they would just arrest at that point.

Being stopped is the middle ground where there are suspicions by nothing to be proven. It's a fine line but if you increase the bar so the police can only stop someone if they pretty much know that they've committed a crime than more drugs and weapons will be on the street.

 

You shouldn't be stopped for being BAME but nor should it allow you an invisibility cloak. If an area has a high BAME population then the percentage of stops will involve them surely. I just think this overpolicing thing is red herring. It's a lot harsher in most other countries and how often nowadays are they apologising for doing their job...it's nuts. They get caned for stopping and checking and caned when arseholes cause trouble for not being vigilant enough.

 

Now this has to be read in a Jeremy Corbyn voice.

 

We're best pals again now m8