Match Thread Most liked posts in thread: Bradford City V Newport County Saturday 24/10/2020

Actually 'contacts in the game' can be applied to every single manager at every single football club.

The period when managers have this as a differentiator is in two periods.

a. When they first move from playing into management. Contacts are fresh and people are keen to help.

b, During a period of significant success. People are drawn to success and believe it can rub off on them. Old contacts are connecting again and are keen to be involved.

Unfortunately Teflon no longer sits in neither of these.

 

Are they like the link that Dmitry sends alone with the link to the video of the game if so I doubt very much Rupp would understand it, soft/hard tyres now there a different thing .

 

he's not the Messiah you know, he is allowed to be criticised.. "aS loNg As wE HavE a CLuB tO SupPoRT."

 

That's was not what I was suggesting I have no problem with the criticism of McCall or any other manager who is not delivering, but as I said with the likes of yourself and a couple more if seems to go deeper/personal.
When Bowyer, Hopkin of the 3 wise monkeys Collins, Drury and Abbott were in control we rarely had a post from you or the other McCall hater I find that strange because during their tenure things were certainly on a par with now or possibly worse.

 

It's so obvious a blind man could see your constant negativity with regards our manager, some might call you a "WUM" trying to get a reaction, oh look your fellow McCall hater likes your post maybe you should get a room and give each other therapy.

 

jeez, watch your blood pressure bronco - take a seat on that fence of yours, heaven forbid people have an opinion on our supreme leader that doesn't toe the party line.

put your head above the parapet and give us all three reasons why, in this spell as manager, after 100% backing and freedom with his budget, title of manager re-instated, a long pre-season to figure out how to attack the season and to get 'his squad' together - that Stuart McCall is the man to take the club forward into a new era with the supposed new CEO waiting in the wings.

shouldn't be too difficult if he is.

 

Don't you go worrying about me or my blood pressure, Mr Ford is looking after me, his past tenure at the club has been covered many times and that includes me the past is the past , but just for you I can make it clear.
The first time we all welcomed Stuart back as our new manager as he had done a few seasons as Neil Warnocks assistant and I suggesf that's a pretty good apprenticeship, he came and found he could not bring the sucsess many wanted including himself and offered his resignation because he's an honourable man.
We brought him back the second time when Rahic (remember him) thought he could be Phil Parkinsons assistant offering his wealth of football knowledge to Phil the rest is history, so as neither Rahic of Rupp knew where to turn they asked Julian for his advice , Juilan gave it and Stuart came in for his second stint at the club, Rahic commenting at the time the only knowledge with regards McCall was the video where he fell of the car after the celebrations on winning promotion to the Premiership.
McCall comes in and adds to the squad Parky had left, and I'll repeat they were very good players who gave McCall a good foundation to build on which he did taking us to Wembley a feat Parky couldnt do as a league one club, bearing in mind this was with continual input from Mr "I know football".
Then during that closed season we head rumours about Rahic wanting Stuart to walk away, backed at the time by Rupp, he refused and carried on even having several of his squad let go without any say.
Once again he works wonders with ths players still at his disposal, keeping us in a top 6/7 place even after that poor run just after Christmas/ New Year, that was the time Rahic pushed the players a little too far with his antics, he sacked McCall because he got the adulation of the fan's which Rahic thought he should have been getting.
We were now seeing Rahics true colours he brings in Grayson who see's right through him and says thanks but no thanks, after interviewing several top quality candidates he promotes Collins assisted by Drury and helped out by Abbott, what great appointments they turned out to be.
In comes Hopkin trying to get a tune from the squad tweddle dee and tweddle dumb had put together, failed and walked, Bowyer comes in with a decent CV failure yet again, so IMO Julian who is now back at the club brings McCall back and hoped for a new manager bounce which didnt happened we are now 7 games into a new campaign and some are calling for the managers head, I personally think it's a little premature but a defeat at Bolton I believe would add more pressure on Stuart, he has to start getting results or there is only the one concution and that will be he gets the push.
Is that clear enoug for you I'm sure it's a different interpretation than yours but I believe it to be fair comment.

 

maybe you need to read my question again, Bronco - three reasons why in this spell as manager he is right to take us forward.

 

Bronco

Let me be clear I am not being pro or anti Bowyer but I love the spin you put on his time “Failure Yet again”. He had been in charge 11 months, we were 9th, 4 points from the playoffs with a record of W14 D12 L11 and your are describing it as a failure.

Collins was an odd appointment but he was given the job in June and fired in September by the same medling Rahic you use as an excuse for Teflon’s failures in spell 2. He didn’t exactly get a fair shake did he but you say “What great appointments they turned out to be”

You are a Teflon apologist. There is always a reason why he isn’t to blame. Edin, Covid, money, inexperience, offside goal, time and on and on and on.

 

you're the epitome of sitting on the fence bronco. I was sat in block d of the main stand when all that was going on. I criticised who I saw fit to criticise, when I saw fit. you'd laugh if I told you the job McCall had lined up only days before Rhodes offered him a 3rd chance. no more excuses for him, he has everything he ever wanted in terms of control but he still can't get things to click in to gear - looking at the next four league fixtures and 8 points should be the minimum. unfortunately I don't see us getting more than 5 and at this moment in time I think that's generous.

 

Excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse...,.,,

 

Anyone noticed the similarity between Teflonites and Trump supporters?

Never his fault, even when it is crap it is good, what he took over was a mess and he is doing a fantastic job given what he had and we shouldn’t replace him because everyone we tried before was a failure.

 

he has had everything he wanted in terms of controlling of the budget, 100% choice of who he brought in including backroom staff, 100% responsibility for recruitment, the title of manager rather than 'head coach'.. the only thing he hasn't been given is vast amounts of money. in all other terms he has everything he has asked for and complained that he didn't have under Rahic.

 

During Stuarts second spell McGod took us to Wembley in his first season, in his second season we were never out of the top 6/7 mostly in the top 4, Rahic sacked him because of who he was not because of a poor overall record, it was McGods first poor run of results under Rahic , we could argue he should have been given longer to turn it around just as Parky did during his 20 odd games without a win, even if not and his decision was based on football matters using Bowyer as an example is very similar so we shouldn't have sacked Bowyer because of your above stats yet McCall who had us in a better position should walk, I'd say that's a nonsense.

Now who's becoming an apologist, Collins was a terrible appointment who was never up for the job and if your truthful you know why Rahic appointed him and Drury, so he could get more and more involved with the day to day running of the football side of things.
Are you being serious when you say Collins didn't get a fair shake, if you attend ANY of the game during his 6 game career you'd have seen the you was seriously out of his depth, we won our first game of the season at Shrewsbury a game that could so easily have gone the other way, yet you quote my "“What great appointments they turned out to be” they were a disaster as every Bradford City fan knew at the time.
So to sum up, during McGods's first tenure he was correct in walking it was hard for both parties because us City fans wanted McGod to be as successful as Bradford City manager as he was a player, yes I stick by my comment he was on a hiding to nothing the second season under Rahic as were Grayson, Hopkin, grayson saw right though Rahic and made some pathetic excuses for not taking the job like we didn't own our own training facilities, hecwent on to be a howling sucsess at Blackpool didn't he.
I thought Bowyer was the correct appointment at the time unfortunately the football on show deteriorated as the season unfolded with the final straw being the performance at Oldham, rather ironic McGod also got the sack after the Oldham game.
This time round McGod is not getting results from the squad and again I've made my thoughts on why known hardly what an apologist does, the buck stops at McGods door get results or you will be out of a job.

 

for everything that wasn't McCall's fault under Rahic it was other managers fault. you fail to give them all the same leeway.

Collins was a terrible appointment at the time and McCall was a terrible appointment at the time. two wrongs don't make a right. 1-1.

I'll ask again and I'll even make it easier for you - give us all one example of something that McCall has done since his re-appointment in February that has shown he can turn our fortunes around.

forget him as a player or his first or second stints as manager as they have no bearing on the current situation.

 

difficult as if I tell you the exact role it will be clear who the source of the info was and that isn't fair on them.. what I will say is that it was in football but not in the professional game or within the extended pyramid.

 

Sorry you've lost me you being sat in block D of the main stand when all that was going on, all what was going on ?.
Why would I laugh it off I wouldn't know if your above is correct or not, I'll accept your version because it didn't sit right with me that Bowyer was allowed to be involved in transfer dealing when his job was on the line.
He's had everything he's wanted with regards control, yes I'd say that's true up to a point, I will repeat so far the season hasn't gone as well as most Bradford City fans would have expected/wanted, after recent performances fans are not happy and that is quite understandable, as you say above he needs results sooner rather than later but I certainly wont be shouting for his head after 7 or even 10 games, now if that makes my a McCall apologist I can live with that.

 

so where do you think his control stops if it is only up to a point? he was given a budget and 100% control over that, plus incomings and outgoings. where is the point where it stops?

 

Is this for me?

I can’t give you a single point.