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Bradford city used to be a rugby league club..

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by king karl, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. king karl

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    Reading one of the RL forums , I never knew

    Manningham RFC= Bradford City AFC

    Bradford RFC= Bradford & Bingley RUFC, Bradford(Park Avenue) AFC & Bradford Northern RLFC(Bradford Bulls)
     
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  2. Kevin1954

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    Yes Manningham. I’m sure that’s also how C&A originated. I’m sure it’s in one of my books.
     
  3. Manningham bantam

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    Just think,a year earlier Manningham RFC was playing here when this was taken.



    Bradford city must be one of the very few clubs that had the very first home game recorded from this period.
     
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  4. Sergio Pinto III

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    I thought this was common knowledge to all City fans?
     
  5. SimonW

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    Yeah I was aware of it so I thought it would have been common knowledge for fans but seems not
     
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  6. Chris Withe

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    Maybe we should try and convince Bradford Met that we still are?

    They might then be as supportive as they are with the Odsal egg chasers.
     
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    Not something I'd heard tbh! Interesting one.
     
  8. SimonW

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    It's actually fairly common with the older group of clubs as Rugby and Football were the same sport before rules started to get ratified which then led to a split into Rugby and Football. Then we saw clubs having to decide which code to play and it saw situations where clubs would switch back and forth and in some cases even split into two separate clubs, one playing Rugby and one playing Football
     
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  9. Stafford Bantam

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    I've got a Manningham Rugby shirt that was produced as a limited edition in 2015, to celebrate the Rugby League's 120th anniversary.
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  10. Stafford Bantam

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    I've also got a Manningham FC scarf (the reverse side says "The Paraders"):
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  11. Ulysses S Grant

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    A cunning plan Baldrick
     
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    Unfortunately, the council can't even afford a bloody turnip!
     
  13. Ulysses S Grant

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    Not quite. Football pre exists the game of Rugby by many many years, with the first known team being Sheffield FC from 1857. It actually dates back to the mass village games of hundreds of years ago, and the game of Rugby, ie being able to run with the ball in hand, is said to have started during a game of football when someone at Rugby Public School picked up the ball and ran with it during an association football match (legend says it was Tom Brown of "Tom Brown's Schooldays" fame, but I think that is just legend.

    The first Rugby team are thought to be Blackheath and the first rules of Rugby date from 1845, some 50 years before the split.

    The split you are talking about is the split in the Rugby codes, which was all "Union" before the Rugby Football League was formed (at the George Hotel in Huddersfield) in 1895 when the Northern Union broke away to form a professional game and "League" as we know it was born.

    Football, as in the game we know and love, has absolutely nothing to do with that.
     
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  14. Bigrod

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    The Territorial Army, Belle Vue Barracks hosted a Yorkshire regiment, whose colours were Claret and Amber. The close proximity and apparent good relationship apparently led to Manningham adopting the colours.
     
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  15. Ulysses S Grant

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    There is a very good book about the conversion of both City and Park Avenue from Rugby to Football called "A Game That Would Pay". Quite a hefty read but for anyone interested it's worth getting hold of a copy.
     
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    Yep. Originally Manningham played on land at the top end of Carlisle Road. Initially a Rugby Union side. They decided to adopt northern rules and go professional. However it was clear that Rugby League just didn’t attract enough supporters to fund the club. So to gain extra income, they switched codes in 1903 (does the theme of Rugby League not attracting enough spectators sound familiar).
    Bradford Rugby club also struggled to attract enough supporters to fund the club. Consequently they copied City and ditched Rugby League in 1907 Bradford Park Avenue was born. A number of their supporters split and formed Bradford Northern, which tried to become trendy by changing their name to the Bulls. Rugby has always limped along and struggled to attract the numbers that Football does.

    Read https://bantamspast.net/ these are seminal texts and deserve a place in any Supporters Bookshelves.
     
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  17. Kevin1954

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    Manningham Rugby you mean Rod? If so yes I believe you are right. My grandad long since gone was a Bradford Pal in WW1 and often mentioned the barracks, probably because he spent a bit of his youth in the Belle Vue? Bit like me…What comes around goes around….lol!
     
  18. Bigrod

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    My Dad had a stint at Belle Vue Barracks…..not the pub!:) However in my youth, l did see the snake!
     
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    Your grandad was a hero. The Bradford Pals story is truly heartbreaking. The breadth and scope of the tragedy, the uniqueness of the situation, it completely astounds me that one group, one city should have to have gone through that experience. I've often thought that it marks the fall of Bradford in very real terms as well as symbolically.
     
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    I still have his war records and discharge papers somewhere. Oddly he never ever talked about the war itself.
     

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