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Well not really. The point is that he is a professional footballer and therefore his performances on the pitch are the primary area of concern. This season his performances have been very good. What he supposedly did with the captain’s armband seems more important to you than his performances and that makes no sense to me.

 

And what does it represent that the shirt doesn’t?

 

Mercenaries and bad apples are all well and good when you're winning games.

You don't remotely think Anthony's pathetic attitude last year was negative? Denouncing the captaincy, fussing over a goal bonus...

You wouldn't get that from a decent character.

 

I can't believe people can't get over it. The goal bonus thing was dealt with in that he doesn't have one and didn't he say he armband was defective and took it off for that reason.

Frankly I'd have been embarrassed to be the captain of the team last season truly one of the worst teams I've ever seen us field.

His performances and commitment this season have been tremendous and he deserves a pat on the back for that!

 

So does that mean you won't be commenting on the players and how Bowyer is doing from now on then?

 

Again, you're mistaking a direct comparison with an indirect comparison.

Nobody is saying burning money or flags or desecrating the memorial is the same as treating the armband with disdain - they're just highlighting how flawed the 'logic' is when someone says the armband is a piece of fabric.

A slap of chiselled stone isn't important in and of itself. A bit of cloth with a motif on isn't important in and of itself. We get that, and it's redundant to point it out - just like it's redundant to say an armband isn't important in and of itself. It's called symbolism, and a memorial only has meaning if people allow it - a flag only has meaning if people allow it - and money only has meaning if people allow it.

It's a nothing argument to say an armband doesn't mean a thing, because it means everything to say many players and fans the world over. If you make that nothing argument, you already accepted perspective is nothing, so you can't rely on that perspective to bail you out later on in the debate. If you say the armband has no significance, then you automatically accept that any work of art, fashion, currency, etc etc etc has no significance either.

That's the logic you're applying.

 

The captains armband and is literally the most pointless thing in football. Unless you want to include the coin toss It doesn't give the person wearing it any extra responsibility and all the arguments in favour of it such as being a leader, motivating others etc are things which any other player can fulfill, including the team capital himself if the armband was binned off all together. To suggest that one irrelevant object is the same as discarding the very thing that keeps the world functioning and then comparing it to vandalising a fire memorial is sheer lunacy.

 

Yawn

 

O'Connor can do one. disrespectful, unprofessional and feckless. he's not even playing all that well, I'd still much sooner we had Paudie in there rather than him.

City fans are so fickle, I swear that If Edin came back tomorrow to take over and went to the press saying he's changed and knows what it takes the same people would be on here saying we have to give him a chance.

 

I'd be with you. Perhaps even to the extent of your 'meh' attitude to him leaving, which simply weakens our promotion challenge, if you had actual proof that he disrespected the armband. i.e. proof that O'Connor was laughing

I'm with some of the others and will go further, the incident was used as ammunition for those fans who had spent all season getting infuriated by how we performed

 

Frighteningly ridiculous comparison. I have a lot of respect for you, so I take on board your opinion and clearly others share it, but I find it jaw droppingly astounding that not only is this going to be used to mean nothing he could do would get your respect back, but you'd cheerfully see him leave when he's a vital squad member

 

How do you know he's not playing that well? You left for the pub after 20 minutes on Saturday lol.

 

wasn't even that long.

I've seen the rest of the games, though!

 

yes, fickle. which you've just proved by singing his praises.

 

A perfect example of someone who's letting bitterness of last season cloud their judgement on how someone is performing this season and if it's not bitterness then clearly they don't understand football. Anthony O'Connor has at very least been just as good as Paudie and BRE. @Ricc this isn't being fickle is called moving on from last season and being fair an honest to someone who has performed well.

 

It wasn't just armband gate though was it. It was being one of the ringleaders off the pitch in undermining Hopkin with some of the other stuff that went on - the player revolts. Hopkin was shit, but he was still the manager and you have to respect the manager.

That said, we needed to wipe the slate clean in the summer following relegation and we have. He is making a positive contribution for Bowyer so far this season so credit to him.

 

What other stuff with Hopkin?

 

Paudie is an apt replacement.

Wed just need a reserve defender.

 

ha ha

In this case I agree. A despised O'Connor last season but now he's playing well and the team are doing well I suppose it just has to be left in the past. We don't want the apple cart upsetting now.

 

Why is it always said that players downed tools when we where losing. We had the same excuse after Stuart got sacked people saying mcmahon had gone on strike. Now your saying that AOC did the same whilst being a disruption in the dressing room. I'm sure if any of that went on the club would suspend the players and they would struggle to get another club. The only thing that was wrong on both occasions where Edin related.