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January 2024 Transfer Window

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Stafford Bantam, Nov 23, 2023.

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  1. Jordan

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    Ahh fair enough. I remember it being on the table but had no idea it was scrapped. But as said, they are in another realm to the rest of us in terms of income.
     
    #2861 Jordan, Feb 1, 2024
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  2. Dennis

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    That will be the kicker for them. No established club in the Championsip can succeed without being funded by their owner at the moment. Of the 6 clubs who have published their accounts for last year, all make serious losses and 5 have debts with their owners of >£100m built up over the last few years. To put it into context, all of those clubs pay more in players wages than they receive in income from all sources. It's a scary prospect for any lower lesgue club with Championship aspirations. Some try to do with minimal support from their owners but are soon back in Div 1.
     
    #2862 Dennis, Feb 1, 2024
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  3. Onside

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    Well why haven’t they all fallen foul of the FFP like Everton.
     
    #2863 Onside, Feb 1, 2024
  4. Jordan

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    This one demonstrates the level of debt in the championship at the minute..... https://x.com/christoph_21/status/1749371344293122291?s=20

    [​IMG]
     
    #2864 Jordan, Feb 1, 2024
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  5. Captain Grumpy

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    It’s unsustainable as things are and will just lead to financial meltdown. When we won promotion to the Premier league we were up against the likes of Bury, Crewe, Grimsby, Stockport,Tranmere, those days are long gone and you need a billionaire to challenge at the top end of the championship.
     
    #2865 Captain Grumpy, Feb 1, 2024
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  6. Dennis

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    The FFP rules used in the Championship and PL are bizarre and perverse. They allow clubs to make significant losses -£13m and £35m per season respectively - without breaching the rules so long as some of the excess losses are funded with equity from the owners.

    On top of their other huge costs, Everton are spending a small fortune on their new ground largely funded by loans. Because of this and the way they accounted for it, they breached the rules. I believe it was a technical breach on their part because they ballsed up their financials unlike at least one other well-known club! I suspect it will be overturned - at least in part - on appeal.
     
    #2866 Dennis, Feb 1, 2024
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  7. Steve1970

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    Missed out on Lewis Hamilton he’s joining Ferrari he’s fast as f@&k
     
    #2867 Steve1970, Feb 1, 2024
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  8. Birky Bantam

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    The Premier League and EFL rules are different rules set by 2 different organisations with different interpretations and exemptions. The Premier League allows a £15m loss over 3 years or £105m if £90m is covered by secure funding from the owner. The Championship is £5m loss plus a £8m secured funding from the owner per year. The EFL also allows more 'donations'. The EFL tend to punish more with transfer embargos than points deduction like the Premier League are starting to do.
     
    #2868 Birky Bantam, Feb 1, 2024
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  9. Rhino66

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    City haven't had the correct transfer Formula for years now!
     
    #2869 Rhino66, Feb 1, 2024
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  10. Onside

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    You are right bizarre and perverse. A system designed to curb overspending allows over spending and accruing annual debt.
     
    #2870 Onside, Feb 1, 2024
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  11. Botswana Bantam

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    I believe the way it works is that anyone who is under contract already on promotion has a set value for their contract until they sign a new one and then the actual value is recognised. For example, even if someone is under contract at £100k a year, they only count for say £50k until the contract ends. I can't remember what the token figure is though but that's why teams coming up from NL can invest more at least in their first year if they have the majority of the squad under contract already.
     
    #2871 Botswana Bantam, Feb 1, 2024
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    Closing in on a transfer target.
     
    #2872 Foghornleghorn, Feb 1, 2024
  13. Birky Bantam

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    From Simon Parker's blog
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    #2873 Birky Bantam, Feb 1, 2024
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  14. Dennis

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    The form of FFP used in the PL and the Championship is known as P&S (or S&P depending who you talk to). That stands for Profitability and Sustainability! Nothing could be further from the truth in reality.
     
    #2874 Dennis, Feb 1, 2024
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  15. Peter

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    9 goals in five years he is deffo our Marquee signing
     
    #2875 Peter, Feb 1, 2024
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  16. bailiff bridge bantam

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    The old “signing they’ve been working on for a while” line that’s been trotted out ad nauseum by the club.
     
    #2876 bailiff bridge bantam, Feb 1, 2024
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  17. Onside

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    But why?
     
    #2877 Onside, Feb 1, 2024
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    Someone has put on twitter a picture of Theo bair Motherwell striker
     
    #2878 Jonny78, Feb 1, 2024
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  19. Foghornleghorn

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    Would you sooner have a last minute Guthrie scenario or an early signing that suggests both player and club have known about for a while?
     
    #2879 Foghornleghorn, Feb 1, 2024
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  20. Dennis

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    That's not quite right. That would have been the case had the squad salary cap regime been introduced. The nominal figure was set at about £67k. But it was scrapped and never implemented. The EFL then reverted (quietly) to the original SCMP regime.
     
    #2880 Dennis, Feb 1, 2024
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